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Quote from: MightyGiants on May 24, 2024, 01:45:47 PMCBs are usually in the 190-205 range

So he is like 5-7 percent lighter than that? 

If he becomes a good guard on another team and Giants never saw that, shame on the Giants.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 24, 2024, 03:55:17 PMFlott is skinny - no two ways about it. And given he has only gained 2-3 pounds in over two years now since the 2022 combine, it's reasonable to assume he's not going to get much bigger (maybe something like 180/182 is possible).

Being slight doesn't preclude him from being a respectable or even good player, but it is clearly not an advantage, either. We should keep in mind that it's not like we took this guy in the top 15 overall though. Mid third round is not typically where you find high-end starting corners. Maybe he's just a solid depth guy. If that's what he ends up being, I'd say that's not a bad outcome at all for a corner taken outside of the top 80 overall.

What I think it affects is his ability to hold onto a jam or press long enough and also in his tackling having less mass.

I am not a fan of all the constant. position switching.

Right.  BFW brings up the average a lot by himself yet he is nowhere near being a productive player on the team — at least not yet.

Just watched "The Blue Angels"  A documentary on prime video. Very good. Lots of detail information about a year with the Blue Angels. Incredible flying scenes.

Bill

This report from TDscouting.com back before the 2019 draft where Lock was supposed to be a top ten pick and dropped to the second round going to Denver.

He appears to be an enigma.  Everyone, it seems, agrees he is a great downfield passer but lacks a lot of the other aspects of the QB position.

Parcells quoted "QB is 90% between the ears".  Both this guy and Jones lack "Situational Awareness".  Tommy on the other hand seems calm and poised.

Jones is a "runner" Lock a "gunner".   As Jones has become injury prone we might be seeing a lot of Drew Lock this year.....Hopefully he can be coached into a becoming a real NFL performer.  I wish him the best.

From TD Scouting on Drew Lock
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PROS

Absolutely gorgeous downfield thrower. Clearly at his best when throwing at full force, both in terms of mechanics and results. Looks the part of a franchise QB when throwing deep. Nearly ideal size/frame and good athleticism. Has the strongest arm among the top QBs in the class. Quick, short, explosive release. Ability to complete all throws on the field with ease. Was regularly asked to make multi-progression reads and demonstrated good eyes in this capacity. Typically accurate when properly protected. Flexible arm capable of releasing at multiple angles. Naturally aggressive and confident attacker, which leads to some stunning creative big-play throws.   

CONS

Glaringly inconsistent as an intermediate passer. Struggles to find consistent throw mechanics on touch or timing plays that aren't at full velocity. Aggressiveness and lack of situational awareness make him prone to catastrophic turnovers and wild throws into coverage. Abandons pocket footwork under pressure and backpedaled into trouble too many times to count at Missou. Seemingly picturesque throw mechanics when attacking downfield often disappear when attempting to throw with touch or anticipation underneath. These issues are further underscored by Lock's career 56.9 completion percentage. Never grew into a reliable, clutch winning football player, highlighted by a career 21-25 record as a college starter. 

VERDICT

On arm talent and size alone, Drew Lock clearly has the potential to be a high impact player in the NFL. However, serious issues with accuracy, awareness and composure mean he has a significant amount of improvement left still, even after 46 career college starts. Most likely these issues will have to be ironed out on the field as a pro and most likely that experience will be an extremely bumpy ride for whichever franchise commits to him. Lock's upside is undeniable though, and that fact has kept him in the first round conversation all the way through the pre-draft process.   

PROSPECT COMPS

Jay Cutler, Blaine Gabbert

GRADE

2nd Round

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 07:41:37 AMI think that's fair analysis.

Thought the Garden was rocking last night.

Enjoyed the commentator too, he seemed to draw more interesting comments out of Farrero.

Great win. Now to steal one on the road.

7 to go.

The Panthers are an absolute bear of an opponent. I thought we played quite well last night, and yet we still barely won at home and easily could have lost.

The above is in no way a knock on our team. I am very pleased with how they played and obviously thrilled with the result. The point is just that we are facing as tough an adversary as you're going to find. But we knew that already.

Clearly, we are an easy out for them either.

Still think this is going to seven.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:43:26 AMI suspect it's a bit flawed to just average up the team.  Projected starters should be weighed more heavily and there seems to be some positions were RAS is more important than others

Good point. The work could be more refined than the above. One could also look at the this over a much longer time period.

Still, I would say the result of that cursory observation is interesting enough to warrant further investigation.

For me, as an amateur observer, I will say that I am always happy to see a high RAS on an incoming player versus a low one, but I am not such a big fan of having a firm, hard rule of only drafting players with very high RASes. I feel like that narrows your scope in a draft.