Big Blue Huddle

George Young ran the team as a dictator. For better or worse. In effect, the NFL took over the Giants franchise because Wellington Mara had run it into the ground and his nephew Tim had to step in and block Wellington's rule. Wellington and his family owned 50% and Tim's family (as the son of Wellington's sister) owned the other 50%. Pete Rozelle essentially forced Wellington to become a figurehead signing checks and hanging out on the field with the players while George Young ran the show. That went really well for about 10 years until Young lost his touch in the mid-90s, especially when he drafted Dave Brown and cut Phil Simms about 2-3 years too soon (though he did manage to draft Michael Strahan and Tiki Barber before retiring). Accorsi wasn't a great GM but he drafted Eli and Tom Coughlin was hired as HC during his tenure (against Accorsi's desires, he and Coughlin didn't really get along).

The Giants ownership is an odd structure. John Mara is not the owner. He and his brother Chris are co-owners, and the Mara family as a whole owns 50% of the team. The other 50% is owned by the Tisch family, which bought that share from Tim Mara, Jr.'s family. For me, the problem begins once the ownership and professional side are mixed. For instance, Chris Mara is both a Giants executive and a co-owner. Which means, essentially, that he can never be fired. And John Mara cannot be fired as team president, though he is clearly incompetent at his job.

The Giants have been a bad team since 2012 because, essentially, the owners have made a string of poor hires at both the GM position (Gettleman, who wasn't a puppet, just bad), and head coach (McAdoo, Shurmur, Judge, while the jury is out on Daboll). It's as simple as that. 

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Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 03, 2024, 11:28:44 AMI don't think he interferes with decisions so much as he just can't shut up.

This.

John Mara is what the kids now call a "nepo baby". He's where he is because the job fell into his lap as Wellington's son (and Wellington inherited HIS role from HIS daddy). He literally has nothing else to do besides the Giants. No real job. No outside business of his own. So he talks. A lot.

I was thinking the same thing myself yesterday with Neal Young's song in my head. Unfortunately somehow this will turn into a political thread, Lenn.

Quote from: LennG on May 03, 2024, 08:36:17 PMI feel so bad for Sham. He was a great horse but against Secretariat, he just couldn't compete.

Same thing with Alydar, who came second to Affirmed is each of his Triple Crown victories.

People forget that there was a reason his (stupid) nickname was Danny Dimes after his rookie year.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 03, 2024, 01:20:53 PMIn case anyone is interested, here are all the PFF grades (for 2023) of the Giants offensive linemen


36th of 36
John Michael Schmitz Jr.
C
# 61
41.4

Aaron Stinnie
G
# 64
56.5

Austin Schlottmann
C
# 65
62.6

Jon Runyan
G
# 76
56.5

Marcus McKethan
G
# 60
45.4

Jimmy Morrissey
G
# 67
60.1

Yodny Cajuste
T
# 70

Jalen Mayfield
T
# 62
26.1

Joshua Miles
T
# 77

Matt Nelson
T
# 68
58.0

Jermaine Eluemunor
T
# 72
68.5

Joshua Ezeudu
T
# 75
42.4

Evan Neal
T
# 73
39.8

Andrew Thomas
T
# 78
76.1

Expecting our O-Line to improve to average is putting a LOT of faith in the new O-Line coach.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 03, 2024, 04:47:29 PMThere is no single one player who has more influence on the offense than the QB. The fact that they get paid much more than any single other position is not an accident. Obviously, you need a lot more than just a very good QB to win tough games in this league, but no single individual position is more important.

The QB is definitely the most important of the three legs.  And sometimes can overcome having one of the 3 legs being sub-standard.  But if both of the other 2 legs suck, as has been the case for the Giants during DJs tenure with the Giants, I don't think it matters how good the QB is.

Quote from: Trench on May 03, 2024, 11:35:41 PMSo McKinney and Saquon are only worth a single 4th round pick?....wow

You're forgetting the offsetting that occurs when the Giants signed players. Runyon effectively cancelled out Saquon with a similar AAV.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 03, 2024, 05:13:55 PMI am not surprised.  That year felt to me the NFL teams falsely manufactured prospect QB talent than was actually there.  Other than Lawrence nobody during the college football season said Wilson or Lance would be top 5 picks.

I remember Lance having a ton of buzz and it was a big deal when he actually played in one game during the Covid season. Wilson, on the other hand, had that huge season and suddenly shot up draft boards.