Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 01:48:34 PMI live in a very rural section of the state, yet I am within a half hour drive of Cornell University, Binghamton University, SUNY Cortland, Ithaca College, SUNY Broome, and Tompkins Cortland Community College and a couple of specialty colleges

If I want to drive 45 minutes, I am at Syracuse University, LeMoyne University, and other community colleges and specialty college

In the last year though, two colleges within 45 mile of me have announced they are closing: Cazenovia College and now, Wells College. Three years ago, Davis College closed in Binghamton. This is disappointing to me as I've been blessed to be surrounded by high quality bastions of education, even though I live in the boonies where Amish in their wagons, snowmobiles, bald eagles overhead, coyotes howling at night, and grazing cows are more common than most rural areas, and far be it to find taxis, buses, or concrete buildings around here. Oh well...a lot of change is usually good. Closing quality schools is not one of them

Losing two very fine educational institutions in a span of one year sucks! 

Covid seems to have had an impact on smaller colleges.  Colleges made a lot of their money on dorm rooms and the like (which are run at a profit).   When colleges were remote, that income stream was taken away.  Even with the dorms reopening, more students seem to opt for online or remote learning over in-person.

My mother still works part-time for a small university in NJ.  It's struggling badly, and from what she tells me, it wouldn't surprise me if it goes belly up in the next couple of years.

He's the best tight end on the roster and it isn't close. If we're looking to free up money who would it be for, and would they do more to help us win next year than Walker if he plays? Or are you thinking about next years draft picks and are hoping we start ejecting dead "weight" in preparation for next year.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 10:12:24 AMThe Giants had the worst offensive line in the league last year

Jones was pressured more frequently and quickly than any QB

Jones had no receiving threat of note

I am not sure what you define as excuses, but for those of us who try to be fair in our evaluations (we don't use charged language like "excuses"), Jones was put in a terrible situation for a QB to do well.  It's not to suggest that Jones doesn't need to step up his game, but I am not sure any QB could have done well in DJ's situation last year.
 

All the arguments against this exist on this forum. I won't reiterate them.  If you wish to ignore them for one-uppmanship - so be it.

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 11:15:09 AMBased on his class and work ethic, Jones is an easy guy to root for, but I have a hard time picturing him at quarterback after 2026 for a myriad of reasons.

I don't see him beyond the designed out year after 2024

Any growth will be leveraged into using his trade value to move on. 

My hunch is Jones never sees his 2025 and 2026 contract years in a Giants Uniform

Waller's gutless, uninspired brand of football is not what the team needs. 

Paying 14 mill for what little he brings to the table I think is a huge waste. 

I suspect they will cut him post June 1 so only 1.9 mill will hit this year and 5.9 next year. 

It was a nice try but a swing and miss

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 02:09:06 PMTrench,

In all fairness, there is only one way to read the chart.  Factually speaking, even though Jones, Taylor, and DeVito played for the same team, the chart clearly shows (there is no room for interpretation) that the three of them faced very different situations.  So, while it's technically not wrong to suggest that two backups played better than Jones, it's not accurately describing the situation.   Two backups played better in much better conditions, which would be a far more appropriate way to say that.

I am not trying to dissuade you from believing that Jones is a poor quarterback, but I do think we should all try to be fair and accurate in how we portray the facts of the situation.

I'm being very fair. I simply do not use stats as my barometer and that's my right to do so. If I use stats for my evaluations, then garbage time points and yards in low leverage situations would play too much into my decisions on who is better than who. Instead, I choose to gauge my perception on what I see, the tempo, making plays under duress and in the clutch. And lastly - who wins. It has served me pretty well thus far as a sports fan.

I saw us play better with backups. That is a fact.

To be clear, I don't perceive Jones as a poor QB. I think he's pretty good. I just don't think he's franchise level. But if I'm proven wrong this year you have my word, I'll be the first to own it guys. 

Quote from: Trench on Today at 02:02:17 PMOk since you feel the need to be aggressive, I simply read Mighty chart very differently is all. You all have your mind made up and continue to push false narratives and that's ok. Others feel opposite and that's ok too. Not sure what you mean by "keep giving the game away??"....

If the argument that our 2 backups outplayed Jones simply because Andrew Thomas was not available for Jones then I really don't know what to tell you. What I do know is we played much better with the backups (than with Jones). That is a fact.

If your argument is one person (Thomas) really makes that much of a difference, I would ask you why then you won't hold Jones as an individual to the same standard?

Trench,

In all fairness, there is only one way to read the chart.  Factually speaking, even though Jones, Taylor, and DeVito played for the same team, the chart clearly shows (there is no room for interpretation) that the three of them faced very different situations.  So, while it's technically not wrong to suggest that two backups played better than Jones, it's not accurately describing the situation.   Two backups played better in much better conditions, which would be a far more appropriate way to say that.

I am not trying to dissuade you from believing that Jones is a poor quarterback, but I do think we should all try to be fair and accurate in how we portray the facts of the situation.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 01:48:10 PMYes, 3 people just did by providing context.  But you have your mind made up and that's that.  And you keep giving the game away, like when you didn't know that the back-ups had Thomas when DJ didn't and just now when you completely misinterpreted the chart MG posted.

Ok since you feel the need to be aggressive, I simply read Mighty chart very differently is all. You all have your mind made up and continue to push false narratives and that's ok. Others feel opposite and that's ok too. Not sure what you mean by "keep giving the game away??"....

If the argument that our 2 backups outplayed Jones simply because Andrew Thomas was not available for Jones then I really don't know what to tell you. What I do know is we played much better with the backups (than with Jones). That is a fact.

If your argument is one person (Thomas) really makes that much of a difference, I would ask you why then you won't hold Jones as an individual to the same standard?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 02:00:22 PMA couple of things I've read this past year:

1) Drake is DJ 2.0, except Drake was throwing to potential NFL receivers, whilst DJ was throwing to future doctors, surgeons, lawyers, nuclear engineers, and scientists

2) The tangibles between Drew Lock and JJ McCarthy are eerily similar, the intangibles, not so much

Regardless, I believe Daboll calls the shots concerning which players see the field. If Lock shows real substance and wows a few times during training, and DJ seems to struggle, I imagine Daboll puts in who he feels is the best of the two

If both show excellent form, throwing, aptitude, etc., or are both average looking, then I imagine DJ gets the nod because of his salary and starting experience

I see the possibility for Lock in the same light you do, Ric

A couple of things I've read this past year:

1) Drake is DJ 2.0, except Drake was throwing to potential NFL receivers, whilst DJ was throwing to future doctors, surgeons, lawyers, nuclear engineers, and scientists

2) The tangibles between Drew Lock and JJ McCarthy are eerily similar, the intangibles, not so much

Regardless, I believe Daboll calls the shots concerning which players see the field. If Lock shows real substance and wows a few times during training, and DJ seems to struggle, I imagine Daboll puts in who he feels is the best of the two

If both show excellent form, throwing, aptitude, etc., or are both average looking, then I imagine DJ gets the nod because of his salary and starting experience