Joe Banner- Daniel Jones Is Not to Blame for this New York Giants Mess

[JT39]

Why cant I have an opinion of other players and their talent outside of Jones? You think Waller is great. I dont. He isnt a good blocker. He is constantly hurt. If he was a number 1 option - why did the team get rid of him for a 3rd round pick?

I am sorry if I explore other ideas than Jones isnt the answer. I believe some people want a good QB surrounded by whatever team. I want a good team period. And if that means Jones is gone - then great.

[MightyGiants]

I get a sense not everyone watched the video. 

Perhaps the most relevant line from Joe Banner, in reference to Jones not doing well on the plays that he has good protection: "People don't understand the psyche once a QB loses confidence in his offensive line.  It permeates everything he does including the plays in which he has good protection"

[JT39]

I get a sense not everyone watched the video. 

Perhaps the most relevant line from Joe Banner, in reference to Jones not doing well on the plays that he has good protection): "People don't understand the psyche once a QB loses confidence in his offensive line.  It permeates everything he does including the plays in which he has good protection"

Of course it does. If you get hit 20-25 times a game, it affects you. The internal clock goes faster. And your trust is gone.

[MightyGiants]

Didn't Schoen spend a 2nd round pick on a center and multiple picks including the 7th overall pick last year on the offensive line?  Not sure how you can say he ignored the line or hasn't tried to upgrade the line.  Investments have been there results haven't. 

Greg,

Joe Banner said Schoen failed to "upgrade" the line, not "invest" in the line. 

It's as if someone had invested all their retirement savings in Enron (or FTX if you want a more modern reference).  You can say that person invested in their retirement, but in reality, they didn't invest wisely in their retirement, and now they have no money to live on.

[Rambo89]

Greg,

Joe Banner said Schoen failed to "upgrade" the line, not "invest" in the line. 

It's as if someone had invested all their retirement savings in Enron (or FTX if you want a more modern reference).  You can say that person invested in their retirement, but in reality, they didn't invest wisely in their retirement, and now they have no money to live on.

Again fail to upgrade implies an effort wasn't made when there was.  It's misleading.  On paper the line was upgraded before the 2022 season with the drafting of Neal plus the other FA signings over what the Giants had in 2021.  On paper the line was upgraded before the 2023 with the drafting of the center in the 2nd round.  But again what was on paper as an upgrade hasn't resulted in better line play.

It's misleading to say this is a matter of Schoen not upgrading. 

[MightyGiants]

Again fail to upgrade implies an effort wasn't made when there was.  It's misleading.  On paper the line was upgraded before the 2022 season with the drafting of Neal plus the other FA signings over what the Giants had in 2021.  On paper the line was upgraded before the 2023 with the drafting of the center in the 2nd round.  But again what was on paper as an upgrade hasn't resulted in better line play.

It's misleading to say this is a matter of Schoen not upgrading. 

Would it be misleading to say Daniel Jones played poorly on Monday night because he tried to play well?

[True Blue]

I get a sense not everyone watched the video. 

Perhaps the most relevant line from Joe Banner, in reference to Jones not doing well on the plays that he has good protection: "People don't understand the psyche once a QB loses confidence in his offensive line.  It permeates everything he does including the plays in which he has good protection"

Then DJ lacks mental toughness to overcome it. Receivers are open, he has to man up and stop playing afraid. He is paid the big bucks to do so.

[MightyGiants]

Then DJ lacks mental toughness to overcome it. Receivers are open, he has to man up and stop playing afraid. He is paid the big bucks to do so.

Joe didn't say "Daniel Jones", he said "quarterback".   He then went on to talk about how Brady, Peyton Manning, and Rodgers were all affected when their lines played poorly.

[Rambo89]

Would it be misleading to say Daniel Jones played poorly on Monday night because he tried to play well?

Not the same thing.  The analogy doesn't apply.

The analogy that would apply is that Jones put in the work in the off season and in game preparation but still is stuck in bad habits and not seeing things he should at this point in his career.

[True Blue]

Joe didn't say "Daniel Jones", he said "quarterback".   He then went on to talk about how Brady, Peyton Manning, and Rodgers were all affected when their lines played poorly.

Of course they were affected, but they also made the plays when they were there.

DJ has never been in a position to join that type of company, never will

[DragonSoul]

Of course it does. If you get hit 20-25 times a game, it affects you. The internal clock goes faster. And your trust is gone.

Nice job with the common sense. Most seem to be lacking. Get hit 30 times a game, you get shell shocked like David Carr did in Houston. Then ur internal clock is sped way up and you trust nothing. Which in turn makes you miss potential opportunities. Or you can stay in the pocket get drilled, then injured or a concussion as another option.

The line will finally be fixed when we we have no QB who can play that position well. There will be an oline but no real qb. Now we have a QB & when we had Eli & no oline.

[Jclayton92]

You can't use that as an excuse though because after the Eagles playoff game and the 1st game this season against Dallas, Jones should have been shell shocked yet got out of his own way enough to produce in the Cardinals game with the same line.

It's Jones at this point and there is no getting around that. Half the sacks Monday night were on him, fact. He can't run simple basic offenses that aren't 1 read and he's in his 5th year.

What has he done previously in the first 4 to show that he is a guy or the guy? Absolutely nothing, wow he didn't turn the ball over last season, he also didn't throw it for more than 200 yards in most of them.

He cannot throw the football in the modern NFL. Rookies with less talent on their line and teams are out producing him and its embarrassing.

He is Sam Darnold or Mitchell Trubisky  everyone just refused to see it.

[Rambo89]

Nice job with the common sense. Most seem to be lacking. Get hit 30 times a game, you get shell shocked like David Carr did in Houston. Then ur internal clock is sped way up and you trust nothing. Which in turn makes you miss potential opportunities. Or you can stay in the pocket get drilled, then injured or a concussion as another option.

The line will finally be fixed when we we have no QB who can play that position well. There will be an oline but no real qb. Now we have a QB & when we had Eli & no oline.

QB's like Burrow and Herbert have no issue sitting in the pocket stepping into throws taking a hit while making plays.  Seems like that leaves a QB just as vulnerable as it does taking off and running where you are open to taking hits. No?

[Ed Vette]

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[MightyGiants]

I found this on Reddit.  I remember this circulating when they were debating drafting Sewell or Chase.