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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on Today at 10:41:02 AMGoodell should mull stepping away, he's systematically ruining the NFL.


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Like him or not, the league has done nothing but explode in popularity under his watch.

It comes down to team building philosophy and the ability to assess O line talent.

May be ignoring the line is the wrong word; they certainly have devoted a lot of valuable assets to it, but so far the efforts have had dismal results. Last year they ignored that they made a mistake and Neal is no good.. they ROLLED THE DICE, and they got snake eyes. My question is, are they rolling the dice again?
I brought up Pittsburgh as an example. PFF ranked their O line as the # 12 in the league.
Here is their picks through 4 rounds:

Round 1: No. 20-Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
Round 2: No. 51- Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia
Round 3: No. 84-Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
Round 3: No. 98 (Compensatory - from PHI)-Payton Wilson, LB, North Carolina State
Round 4: No. 119-Mason McCormick, G, South Dakota State

Are they stupid?!

Quote from: brownelvis54 on Today at 02:42:19 PMYeah, he either leaves on his own or the Giants will cut him

or potentially they could trade him

Rooting hard for him, Super humble young man. He really deserves this. Let's go Turbo. Giants fan welcoming you.
Dante Miller ran a 4.27 - forty on his pro day and logged 28 reps on the bench press.  Seriously good numbers.  Joe Schoen might have gotten The Giants a steal in this kid.







I could do without the music

Quote from: LennG on Today at 12:44:04 PMI think many people also explained how I feel and the last post by Dave said it best. Yes, Jones had a decent year compared to many of the terrible years.
I'm sorry but fans (and I don't mean you specifically) keep telling us how Jones lacks certain things for a QB to be successful. True, but how many QBs in the league have a perfect system, great OL great WRs, and a good running game.
Anyone can succeed in those conditions. What separates the winners from the losers is that the good ones can overcome obstacles and still succeed. Jones is just not in that category. Everything needs to be perfect for him to have success and that is still not what the Giants offer. He simply cannot overcome certain things that other good QBs can. We have given him plenty of things now, so overall, I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Jones is what Jones is, an average QB who can make certain throws in the right circumstances but when he is asked to do more, he cannot. That is why he succeeded in the years you mentioned. He wasn't asked to do more than he was able to, we got a year of lucky ounces and breaks and we won. His numbers, as far as league wise, were average at best, but compared to his numbers from other years, he was successful. Nabors might get him a few more yards and completions, but that is about all.

I hear all the time what's with the Jones hate. First of all, there is no hate. It's a judgement on his play, that's all. I don't understand the "love." I've been watching him and football for over five decades. I have not seen Jones do what great QBs do, overcome odds and carry the team to victory. It has never happened. Well, okay, in the fourth quarter against a pitiful Arizona team last year. And yes, he had a very good game against a Minnesota team whose defense was abysmal. Beyond that. Nothing. I listed the rankings I felt of the current QBs. Jones was number 21. Maybe Nabers and a better offensive line will bump him up to 15 or 16. That's the ceiling folks. He's never shown anything beyond that. I know why they didn't draft a QB. I know this franchise and how it works. They knew New England was never going to trade out of #3 so posturing with those picks was just that. And when they passed on McCarthy they never were serious about getting a QB. They signed Jones to big money. They want to get something out of that if they can. I get it. But we fans have to wait now until 2025 or beyond for hope. At least that's how I feel.

The Giants formula in the secondary seems to be draft a player and play him right away so he gets burned and struggles while the fans complain.

Then year 2-3 that player becomes a solid starter. Fans love him.

Then year 4 that player makes a few bad plays and complains that he hasn't been extended. Fans turn on him and complain that he will cost too much to resign.

Year 5 that players leaves and we start the whole process over again and ignore other positions of need like Running Back.

We vacation ever year that Holiday weekend and this would really suck for us. Sometimes we may be in another country that may not have the game. They also are encroaching on the Winter Olympics once every 4 years.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 01:55:03 PMEvery report I have heard suggest Waller is unlikely to return

Yeah, he either leaves on his own or the Giants will cut him

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 01:35:47 PMHadron: Long time, few posts... or have I been missing them somehow?  Bob

Been busy with work!

Draft season is always hit or miss with me so my participation tends to fluctuate, especially when it comes to players that I don't follow.