What happened? How did the coach of the year and a staff that garnered serious HC interest become what we have witnessed in the past month?
This, to me, is a bigger concern than DJ and on par with the atrocious OL as the 2 biggest concerns.
The team has looked totally unprepared in every game this season. The team has played sloppy and undisciplined in every game this season. The play-calling has been a mess every game this season.
There seems to be a complete lack of accountability - for the coaching staff, the players, the entire org.
This is why I don't get the whole 'draft a rookie QB' sentiment. Do those who feel this way really believe a rookie is going to fare any better in this environment?
Have we learned nothing from what the team is going through? If DJ wasn't the answer, then a big part of the problem outside of signing him was spending on a QB before the foundation was in place. 60% of the OL needs to be replaced. I'd forget about anything else until that has been addressed. If not, this cycle of ineptitude will only continue.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2023, 08:12:26 AMThis, to me, is a bigger concern than DJ and on par with the atrocious OL as the 2 biggest concerns.
The team has looked totally unprepared in every game this season. The team has played sloppy and undisciplined in every game this season. The play-calling has been a mess every game this season.
There seems to be a complete lack of accountability - for the coaching staff, the players, the entire org.
This is why I don't get the whole 'draft a rookie QB' sentiment. Do those who feel this way really believe a rookie is going to fare any better in this environment?
Have we learned nothing from what the team is going through? If DJ wasn't the answer, then a big part of the problem outside of signing him was spending on a QB before the foundation was in place. 60% of the OL needs to be replaced. I'd forget about anything else until that has been addressed. If not, this cycle of ineptitude will only continue.
Any QB the Giants would draft would likely just crash and burn in this environment, no matter how talented.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2023, 08:12:26 AMThis, to me, is a bigger concern than DJ and on par with the atrocious OL as the 2 biggest concerns.
The team has looked totally unprepared in every game this season. The team has played sloppy and undisciplined in every game this season. The play-calling has been a mess every game this season.
There seems to be a complete lack of accountability - for the coaching staff, the players, the entire org.
This is why I don't get the whole 'draft a rookie QB' sentiment. Do those who feel this way really believe a rookie is going to fare any better in this environment?
Have we learned nothing from what the team is going through? If DJ wasn't the answer, then a big part of the problem outside of signing him was spending on a QB before the foundation was in place. 60% of the OL needs to be replaced. I'd forget about anything else until that has been addressed. If not, this cycle of ineptitude will only continue.
Many have been beating the drum for years about the offensive line, regardless of who is under center.
Yes, Gettleman and now Schoen have addressed it but bringing in guys isn't enough.
The problem is talent identification, development, and coaching.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 08:05:09 AMWhat happened? How did the coach of the year and a staff that garnered serious HC interest become what we have witnessed in the past month?
The league figured him and kafka out. we used some trickery last year which worked but they have to be the worst 2 coaches of all time in keeping things fresh and trying new things. everything with them is trying to put round pegs in square holes. just awful, awful play calling.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 08:13:57 AMAny QB the Giants would draft would likely just crash and burn in this environment, no matter how talented.
thank you! dont get me wrong id love a caleb williams, but you're just setting him up for failure. and if we fix the main issues... we already have a qb. fix the root causes and everything else will be better. i'd love to say take the best OL but we already tried that with neal and screwed it up royally. honestly, just take the best player regardless of position. idc if its a WR, a LB, a G, whatever. just take FOOTBALL players. because we really dont have any. im sick of it.
Coaching has been our biggest problem this year. But Schoen's evaluation of players he brought in is also very concerning.
I think since this team has been so starved of even mild success (which is all 2022 was), Daboll must have been showered with constant praise all summer internally and by beat guys. And obviously he won the award. It seems to have led to hubris/complacency. I can't think of any other explanation. He unquestionably did a very good coaching job last year given the state of the team when it was handed to him. They may not have been a great team last year but they were never lazy or anywhere near this undisciplined. Something changed, and I have my suspicions that it has to do with all the praise he got for 2022, as well as all the false hype this past summer about how great 2023 was going to be. I think it led to some complacency and that trickled down to the rest of his coaching staff and the players. I can't really come up with a better explanation than that.
Absolutely think it was hubris, ego... whatever you want to call it. It seemed to me like this coaching staff bought into how "good" it was, despite a horrible second half record and historically bad playoff opponent. This team has been woefully unprepared. The second half of the Arizona game has obscured how horrible they were starting that one off. It's been miserable. No tackling. No urgency. The vast majority of the roster is underperforming--how does that occur without a complete failure of preparation? Either that, or the players simply aren't listening... and that's not really a better reality.
Jones has one more year on his contract
Draft a QB to sit and develop while the o line develops as well
The 6-1 start was a mirage and he's been 5-10-1 ever since. That's the reality, every bit of positive feel for this regime is based off of that start.
Schoen doubled down on Gettleman's mistakes - he owns Jones/Barkley. He also owns the 2 bad drafts we've had under his regime.
I'm not sure what the answer is. The only person that hasn't been "moved" in one form or another is John Mara himself.
Quote from: AYM on October 03, 2023, 08:55:46 AMSchoen doubled down on Gettleman's mistakes - he owns Jones/Barkley. He also owns the 2 bad drafts we've had under his regime.
Agreed.
Barkley he can get away from more easily though. He can be rid of him after this season at no additional cost, or he might even be able to trade him during this season.
Jones is a stickier problem. Although he can be moved on from too. And even before he is moved on from they can create more competition at the position.
When you look at the stat sheets, Seattle didn't have to do much to score 24 points. The Giants basically beat themselves last night, once again.
What's been happening is they make a mistake or a bad play and they don't have the fortitude to overcome it and it results in a momentum swing for the other team. That swing doesn't change until they make a great play to shift it back.
The problem started in the preseason. In order to minimize injuries their training camps were a step above a walkthrough. There was no intensity. They figured they would automatically build off of last season by adding weapons for Daniel Jones and the Oline players would improve over last season.
The reality is that Evan Neal doesn't have what it takes to recover from a bad play and he gets thrown off his game. The backup players on that Oline shouldn't be in the league.
When Daniel Jones gets pressured, he gets completely thrown off his game. He becomes apprehensive and either leaves the pocket and takes himself out of half the field, runs or checks down to the flat. I can't blame Parris Campbell because he's running that swing pass or flat route checkdowns that every team in now expecting and he gets slammed immediately after the catch or the DB jumps the route.
Another game that was close going into midway of the third quarter and it got away from them. The Defense made a critical 4th down stop and the Offense failed them. That pick six was the nail in the coffin for the game and the season.
Schoen will make it a priority to fix that Oline. Daboll will replace his STs and Oline Coach after the season. That's if he survives. Schoen now knows that Daniel Jones isn't the answer and will have a plan to replace him. Saquon Barkley will be in another team, this year or next.
If Thomas comes back 100% they have a shot at recovery after Miami/Buffalo. Still Neal will be a liability and that right side of the line will be a problem.
The Giants could wind up 1-11 before the Bye.
I think it's a combination of things:
1) Daboll got away with tapping a bad O-line coach, but that mistake caught up with him this year
2) Daboll should have hired a competent special teams coach, instead of keeping the existing one
3) The coaching staff lost a lot of their success by chasing new goals. The offense chased big plays while departing from the style that covered up the O-line deficiencies and the D forgot how to tackle while training to strip the ball to creat more turnovers
4) Like others, I think there was some hubris
5) The coaching staff didn't replace the lost coaches well- RB coach, assist O-line, assist special teams
6) cronyism slipped into coaching, keeping useless players like Shepard and Beasley types
7) the substituted a plan to improve the O-line with, "We hope the existing players get better."
8) The coaching staff failed to have answers to counter the inevitable of the league figuring out the Giants schemes.
9) The coaching staff was too player-friendly
Brandon Staley has been a better coach than Daboll this year.
Chew on that for a minute....
Quote from: JT39 on October 03, 2023, 09:35:46 AMBrandon Staley has been a better coach than Daboll this year.
Chew on that for a minute....
That is a frightening thought
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 08:13:57 AMAny QB the Giants would draft would likely just crash and burn in this environment, no matter how talented.
That's an assumption not a fact. As scary as the unknown is you have to take a chance rather than be scared and stick with mediocrity.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 09:04:09 AMI think it's a combination of things:
1) Daboll got away with tapping a bad O-line coach, but that mistake caught up with him this year
2) Daboll should have hired a competent special teams coach, instead of keeping the existing one
3) The coaching staff lost a lot of their success by chasing new goals. The offense chased big plays while departing from the style that covered up the O-line deficiencies and the D forgot how to tackle while training to strip the ball to creat more turnovers
4) Like others, I think there was some hubris
5) The coaching staff didn't replace the lost coaches well- RB coach, assist O-line, assist special teams
6) cronyism slipped into coaching, keeping useless players like Shepard and Beasley types
7) the substituted a plan to improve the O-line with, "We hope the existing players get better."
8) The coaching staff failed to have answers to counter the inevitable of the league figuring out the Giants schemes.
9) The coaching staff was too player-friendly
After a good list of nine, you failed to identify any culpability for Daniel Jones.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 09:44:50 AMAfter a good list of nine, you failed to identify any culpability for Daniel Jones.
I wasn't aware Daniel Jones was a coach... but okay
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 09:47:23 AMI wasn't aware Daniel Jones was a coach... but okay
He supported him as his franchise QB, not recognizing his fatal flaws.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 09:47:23 AMI wasn't aware Daniel Jones was a coach... but okay
If the coaches are to blame for the players and how they're performing I don't see how we ignore the player with the biggest contract on the roster.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 09:49:52 AMIf the coaches are to blame for the players and how they're performing I don't see how we ignore the player with the biggest contract on the roster.
I actually think he thought he could transform Jones into a Josh Allen.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 09:49:02 AMHe supported him as his franchise QB, not recognizing his fatal flaws.
I'm not sure if Jones had a "fatal flaw" or if he broke his franchise QB with all the mistakes listed.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 09:53:30 AMI actually think he thought he could transform Jones into a Josh Allen.
Well John Mara thought because he had Eli's personality and was coached by the same guy Eli was in College that he would be Eli who could run.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 09:49:52 AMIf the coaches are to blame for the players and how they're performing I don't see how we ignore the player with the biggest contract on the roster.
I also don't know how some people can't blame anyone else on the team without steering the conversation back to their favorite target. Jones had a horrible game but some people are only focusing on Jones and pretending that there are not bigger issues.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 09:53:30 AMI actually think he thought he could transform Jones into a Josh Allen.
I believe this to be true. Or at least something resembling it.
I think they had no better options at QB and it was worth the gamble, afterall they won a playoff game with him, but they made the contract in a way to protect them and the team if it didnt work out, its not at that point yet but it doesn't look encouraging, but I am sure they know all the options, and have a plan based on the results of this entire season as to which option to take, including potentially continue to build wiht DJ.
Quote from: JT39 on October 03, 2023, 09:35:46 AMBrandon Staley has been a better coach than Daboll this year.
Chew on that for a minute....
Helps when Staley has an elite talent in Herbert as his QB and not an average one like Jones.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 09:57:36 AMI also don't know how some people can't blame anyone else on the team without steering the conversation back to their favorite target. Jones had a horrible game but some people are only focusing on Jones and pretending that there are not bigger issues.
You've just been focusing on the offensive line and coaching. This is the first time you've acknowledged Jones played arguably his worst game since the Tampa game 3 years ago.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 09:55:16 AMI'm not sure if Jones had a "fatal flaw" or if he broke his franchise QB with all the mistakes listed.
Oh, I'm sure. And last night it was underscored. I can't forgive eleven sacks, but when opportunity was there, he completely fell apart. You can't have a franchise QB who can only perform when all around him is perfect. Rich, he ain't the guy.
OL OL OL OL OL OL. You'd think if any organization should have known how important this is, it would be the NY Giants. But here we are. As always, it seems. It almost seems like a cliche here now- you will never EVER get a read on your offensive players or have any kind of sustained success without a deep and capable (ie, mediocre) offensive line. It begins and ends there.
So in retrospect, we should have known when we added Waller, Hyatt, even D Banks- at least 2 of those should have been OL.
Daniel Jones is not good. But I contend still that he COULD have been good. But- we'll never know and at this point it doesn't matter- the ghosts are here and they're here to stay.
Look, we already have a thread going after Daniel Jones. Can we keep this one about coaching?
Quote from: PSUBeirut on October 03, 2023, 10:00:25 AMOL OL OL OL OL OL. You'd think if any organization should have known how important this is, it would be the NY Giants. But here we are. As always, it seems. It almost seems like a cliche here now- you will never EVER get a read on your offensive players or have any kind of sustained success without a deep and capable (ie, mediocre) offensive line. It begins and ends there.
So in retrospect, we should have known when we added Waller, Hyatt, even D Banks- at least 2 of those should have been OL.
Daniel Jones is not good. But I contend still that he COULD have been good. But- we'll never know and at this point it doesn't matter- the ghosts are here and they're here to stay.
What we saw last night is what we've seen since 2019 when Barkley is out and not healthy this offense is downright awful.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 10:13:59 AMWhat we saw last night is what we've seen since 2019 when Barkley is out and not healthy this offense is downright awful.
And WEAK minded, might I add. Which to me goes directly to coaching. Last night's start felt eerily similar to the Dallas game- a good strong, move the chains type start on offense where things were going pretty well, even if just dinking and dunking down the field. Then, adversity hits. And after that the offense just couldn't get out of it's own way....this offense's psyche is so incredibly fragile and I have to think that's a coach+QB thing- I mean, where is the fire?
The phrase SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE kept going through my head last night. This offense was not smart, not tough in the sense of picking yourself up when adversity hits..... and as our OL became an embarrassing patchwork AGAIN, surely nowhere near dependable. Did anyone else notice Shmintz limping very early in that first series? I picked it up immediately and my heart sank...because I just knew one injury on the IOL is all it would take for this offense to fall apart- they just can't recover.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on October 03, 2023, 10:21:41 AMAnd WEAK minded, might I add. Which to me goes directly to coaching. Last night's start felt eerily similar to the Dallas game- a good strong, move the chains type start on offense where things were going pretty well, even if just dinking and dunking down the field. Then, adversity hits. And after that the offense just couldn't get out of it's own way....this offense's psyche is so incredibly fragile and I have to think that's a coach+QB thing- I mean, where is the fire?
The phrase SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE kept going through my head last night. This offense was not smart, not tough in the sense of picking yourself up when adversity hits..... and as our OL became an embarrassing patchwork AGAIN, surely nowhere near dependable. Did anyone else notice Shmintz limping very early in that first series? I picked it up immediately and my heart sank...because I just knew one injury on the IOL is all it would take for this offense to fall apart- they just can't recover.
The Giants kept Brightwell. I remember his stupid shoving penalty that pinned the team deep after a punt. Was that SMART or DEPENDABLE?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 10:25:35 AMThe Giants kept Brightwell. I remember his stupid shoving penalty that pinned the team deep after a punt. Was that SMART or DEPENDABLE?
God don't get me started on Brightwell last night. Such a ridiculously bad penalty and had a few other bonehead moves on top of bringing absolutely nothing in the run or pass pro game. And let's not forget Eric Gray, who has been a 'hold your breath' returner every time but we still trot him out there and he almost ended the night even EARLIER last night. What has Gray brought to the return game other than anxiety? He may turn out to be a good runner but damn, just get someone back there to secure punts without giving us heart attacks.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on October 03, 2023, 10:21:41 AMAnd WEAK minded, might I add. Which to me goes directly to coaching. Last night's start felt eerily similar to the Dallas game- a good strong, move the chains type start on offense where things were going pretty well, even if just dinking and dunking down the field. Then, adversity hits. And after that the offense just couldn't get out of it's own way....this offense's psyche is so incredibly fragile and I have to think that's a coach+QB thing- I mean, where is the fire?
The phrase SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE kept going through my head last night. This offense was not smart, not tough in the sense of picking yourself up when adversity hits..... and as our OL became an embarrassing patchwork AGAIN, surely nowhere near dependable. Did anyone else notice Shmintz limping very early in that first series? I picked it up immediately and my heart sank...because I just knew one injury on the IOL is all it would take for this offense to fall apart- they just can't recover.
Daboll is the third coach the Giants have had since 2019 so it's not coaching. It's an offense that goes strictly on the playmaking RB in a passing league. That's a problem especially with the wear and tear on that player plus it's unlikely he'll be back in 2024.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on October 03, 2023, 10:29:13 AMGod don't get me started on Brightwell last night. Such a ridiculously bad penalty and had a few other bonehead moves on top of bringing absolutely nothing in the run or pass pro game. And let's not forget Eric Gray, who has been a 'hold your breath' returner every time but we still trot him out there and he almost ended the night even EARLIER last night. What has Gray brought to the return game other than anxiety? He may turn out to be a good runner but damn, just get someone back there to secure punts without giving us heart attacks.
Plus when they benched Gray, why didn't Shepard finally earn his paycheck and return punts? Why put Adoree Jackson back there?
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2023, 08:12:26 AMThis, to me, is a bigger concern than DJ and on par with the atrocious OL as the 2 biggest concerns.
The team has looked totally unprepared in every game this season. The team has played sloppy and undisciplined in every game this season. The play-calling has been a mess every game this season.
There seems to be a complete lack of accountability - for the coaching staff, the players, the entire org.
This is why I don't get the whole 'draft a rookie QB' sentiment. Do those who feel this way really believe a rookie is going to fare any better in this environment?
Have we learned nothing from what the team is going through? If DJ wasn't the answer, then a big part of the problem outside of signing him was spending on a QB before the foundation was in place. 60% of the OL needs to be replaced. I'd forget about anything else until that has been addressed. If not, this cycle of ineptitude will only continue.
If Burrow can thrive in Cincy we'll be alright. A great Qb can do a lot for a bad team. Stroud has a bad Texans team playing great right now.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 10:40:37 AMPlus when they benched Gray, why didn't Shepard finally earn his paycheck and return punts? Why put Adoree Jackson back there?
Because Jackson isn't going to put the ball on the deck. And Shepard the last thing you want to see him do is that.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 10:59:50 AMBecause Jackson isn't going to put the ball on the deck. And Shepard the last thing to see him do is that.
Shepard is barely playing any offensive snaps. Why not return punts?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 11:10:47 AMShepard is barely playing any offensive snaps. Why not return punts?
Because he hasn't done it since....I can't remember, he's aging and injury prone. No way would he be considered. It should be Hyatt. With his speed he's gotta be a spark.
Edit: He has never returned a punt of even a KO in the NFL.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 03, 2023, 11:21:42 AMBecause he hasn't done it since....I can't remember, he's aging and injury prone. No way would he be considered. It should be Hyatt. With his speed he's gotta be a spark.
I think at this point with how bad and mistake prone the Special Teams have been you just need someone back there to do the basics of catching the punt and not fumbling.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 11:24:17 AMI think at this point with how bad and mistake prone the Special Teams have been you just need someone back there to do the basics of catching the punt and not fumbling.
That's step one but you need to gain some positive yardage! You will completely lose the field position battle all game long without even a 5-7 yard return. Hyatt could take one to house.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 10:25:35 AMThe Giants kept Brightwell. I remember his stupid shoving penalty that pinned the team deep after a punt. Was that SMART or DEPENDABLE?
That's fine because he made for it by running into the kick on a punt so they can have a new set of downs.
Quote from: RelaxTension on October 03, 2023, 11:54:27 AMThat's fine because he made for it by running into the kick on a punt so they can have a new set of downs.
I always appreciate when a player makes up for their mistakes /sarcasm/
Camp Daboll should have gave us a fair warning. Yes..we knew the schedule would be brutal the first six..but this isn't representative pro football so far. Coaching..preparation..roster..leadership..heart are completely absent.
The Walking Dead: Bad Blue.
What I love about Barkley is he cares. He shows up and plays with fire.
How many other players on this team can you say that about?
Quote from: Philosophers on October 03, 2023, 12:39:19 PMWhat I love about Barkley is he cares. He shows up and plays with fire.
How many other players on this team can you say that about?
Not enough
Someone give Daniel Jones a hotfoot..BTW. Scream at somebody..throw your helmet..bark at the moon..anything but defeatist. He gives the team a terrible losing vibe, even if it is pointless I don't care!!! ~X(
Quote from: Philosophers on October 03, 2023, 12:39:19 PMWhat I love about Barkley is he cares. He shows up and plays with fire.
How many other players on this team can you say that about?
The irony is, at the rate things are going, it's almost going to loop around into
making sense to bring Barkley back. Namely, we're going to need a stable cheap veteran hand at RB the next couple of years, and Barkley will - if anything - be cheap.
I don't like hearing this kind of stuff, but there's smoke he and other members of the coaching staff have been a bit too casual with the players. I'll leave it at that.
Quote from: 4 Aces on October 03, 2023, 06:23:19 PMI don't like hearing this kind of stuff, but there's smoke he and other members of the coaching staff have been a bit too casual with the players. I'll leave it at that.
Maybe we need to go back to having them do gassers when they fk up.
:surrender:
Quote from: 4 Aces on October 03, 2023, 06:23:19 PMI don't like hearing this kind of stuff, but there's smoke he and other members of the coaching staff have been a bit too casual with the players. I'll leave it at that.
That is the risk every player's coach faces
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 09:57:07 AMWell John Mara thought because he had Eli's personality and was coached by the same guy Eli was in College that he would be Eli who could run.
Typical John Mara misunderstanding. Eli had a personality. DJ doesn't. He has legs.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on October 04, 2023, 03:49:59 AMTypical John Mara misunderstanding. Eli had a personality. DJ doesn't. He has legs.
Is that really the case? I don't know to be honest. I am under the impression Jones has more of a personality than what we see in press conferences. If you recall, during Eli's playing days, he was kind of a dud in press conferences too. The personality he is showing now as a retiree is very different from what he was like as a 24-28 year old. Heck, even after that first SB win I wouldn't say he showed a ton of personality as a player.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 06:40:28 AMIs that really the case? I don't know to be honest. I am under the impression Jones has more of a personality than what we see in press conferences. If you recall, during Eli's playing days, he was kind of a dud in press conferences too. The personality he is showing now as a retiree is very different from what he was like as a 24-28 year old. Heck, even after that first SB win I wouldn't say he showed a ton of personality as a player.
Most NFL players, and professional athletes, are trained to say as little as possible in press conferences. But Eli, while goofy, was never robotic. He was always intelligent and with a good sense of humor, you can see it in interviews with him and the Super Bowl movies that NFL films made. Daniel Jones seems really dull-minded to me, not much to say at all. I wouldn't care so much about that if he was winning. But I think truly great players always have some sort of personality to them.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on October 04, 2023, 08:09:11 AMMost NFL players, and professional athletes, are trained to say as little as possible in press conferences. But Eli, while goofy, was never robotic. He was always intelligent and with a good sense of humor, you can see it in interviews with him and the Super Bowl movies that NFL films made. Daniel Jones seems really dull-minded to me, not much to say at all. I wouldn't care so much about that if he was winning. But I think truly great players always have some sort of personality to them.
One bad game and suddenly Jones is the worst man on the planet. "dull-minded"?
(He) earned an economics degree at Duke, and the undergraduate program ranked No. 1 nationally when he applied. He could've attended Harvard or Princeton (he had a scholarship offer). He was a three-time Academic All-ACC selection, which requires at least a 3.00 grade-point average for the academic year.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/giants-hoping-daniel-jones-intelligence-shines-when-it-matters-most/
Daniel Jones had a 37 on this Wonderlic (20 is average intelligence)
Jones may have flaws, but "dull-minded" certainly isn't one of them.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:46:07 AMOne bad game and suddenly Jones is the worst man on the planet. "dull-minded"?
(He) earned an economics degree at Duke, and the undergraduate program ranked No. 1 nationally when he applied. He could've attended Harvard or Princeton (he had a scholarship offer). He was a three-time Academic All-ACC selection, which requires at least a 3.00 grade-point average for the academic year.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/giants-hoping-daniel-jones-intelligence-shines-when-it-matters-most/
Daniel Jones had a 37 on this Wonderlic (20 is average intelligence)
Jones may have flaws, but "dull-minded" certainly isn't one of them.
It's not one bad game. It's one of many bad games for a QB in Year 5.
I think Jones is a bright guy book smart wise but his instincts/awareness is lacking.
I don't personally care that much about personality in press conferences. They are not there to entertain us. I do care about emotion on the field and on the sidelines, and to be fair Jones has shown a pickup in that this season and late last season (albeit not on Monday night). I also just don't agree that Eli was Mr. Personality in public appearances as a player, and Eli is probably my favorite professional athlete of all time.
At the end of the day I'm more focused on what happens on the field in games that matter than anything else. I am caring less and less these days about who "looks ripped" in training camp or how someone "is carrying himself this year." I care about what these guys do in games that count, and so far in 2023 that data on Jones is not good.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:46:07 AMOne bad game and suddenly Jones is the worst man on the planet. "dull-minded"?
(He) earned an economics degree at Duke, and the undergraduate program ranked No. 1 nationally when he applied. He could've attended Harvard or Princeton (he had a scholarship offer). He was a three-time Academic All-ACC selection, which requires at least a 3.00 grade-point average for the academic year.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/giants-hoping-daniel-jones-intelligence-shines-when-it-matters-most/
Daniel Jones had a 37 on this Wonderlic (20 is average intelligence)
Jones may have flaws, but "dull-minded" certainly isn't one of them.
Okay dull-minded was the wrong term as he is not dumb. And he is not the worst person earth (how did you conclude that??) I just meant he has a very dull personality. Again, it's not necessarily a big deal. but I find him to be very different from Eli.
Calling out Jones for running a running play when he Daboll had called for a pass was not cool
first of all, these guys need to work on their communication skills or get the equipment checked
They need to keep miscommunications private too......the world did not need to know about that Faux Pas
The Giants have hit rock bottom it seems
I wonder what thoughts are rattling in John Mara's head this week
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 04, 2023, 10:36:00 AMCalling out Jones for running a running play when he Daboll had called for a pass was not cool
first of all, these guys need to work on their communication skills or get the equipment checked
They need to keep miscommunications private too......the world did not need to know about that Faux Pas
The Giants have hit rock bottom it seems
I wonder what thoughts are rattling in John Mara's head this week
What play are you talking about?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 11:01:32 AMWhat play are you talking about?
i think it was right before the half
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 04, 2023, 01:40:05 PMi think it was right before the half
Yes, went back and saw an article about it. Without reference I had no idea which play you were talking about. It was a situation where Jones misheard the play on the radio. That's not calling him out that's explaining what happened. Where he did get called out was on the pick 6 and that was warranted.