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While not as bad at Trump deliberately killing Americans by cutting back on testing, his FDA LIED about the plasma treatment (although they claim it was just a coincidence that they did that right before Trump's convention)

QuoteAfter several days of rumors with ever-growing hype, the Trump administration announced on Sunday that the Food and Drug Administration was granting an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for a COVID-19 treatment. The move was controversial from the start, with reports indicating that the EUA was opposed by a number of health experts, including National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins and National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci. The press conference didn't settle matters, with a growing chorus of scientists saying that the data presented in support of the EUA had been misrepresented.


Trump announces a COVID-19 Emergency Use Authorization for blood plasma
On Monday night, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn acknowledged that he had made a significant error in presenting the benefits of the treatment, and he followed that statement with an apology on Tuesday. But Hahn pushed back against indications that the approval of the treatment on the eve of the Republican National Convention was motivated by political pressure.

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https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/fda-commissioner-botched-risk-numbers-when-talking-about-post-covid-plasma/

Trump is LITERALLY killing Americans!  For those of you who support Donald Trump, think about how you are supporting the killing of Americans (less testing = more cases = more deaths)


CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says

QuoteA sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN.

"It's coming from the top down," the official said of the new directive from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html

Quote from: LennG on August 26, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
The CDC has modified it's virus testing scenareos

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/c-d-c-now-says-people-without-covid-19-symptoms-do-not-need-testing/ar-BB18mUoD?ocid=msedgdhp

Seems now if you have, or show, no symptoms, there is no reason for you to get tested.

This goes against every known public health practice.   On the other hand, a certain man in charge has been saying that he wanted less testing...


Less testing will lead to more cases and more deaths.   

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2020/08/21/ny-giants-6-scrimmage-standouts-and-daniel-jones-strong-finish/3406391001/

https://www.bigblueview.com/2020/8/22/21396922/giants-rookie-report-tj-brunson-tae-crowder-andrew-thomas-austin-mack-tyler-haycraft

https://www.giants.com/news/scrimmage-highlights-darnay-holmes-tj-brunson-david-sills-training-camp

https://www.giants.com/news/scrimmage-training-camp-joe-judge-jason-garrett-patrick-graham-daniel-jones

https://nypost.com/2020/08/21/giants-camp-defense-setting-tone-for-daniel-jones-offense/

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/new-york-giants-scrimmage-report-defense-wins-the-day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2AtIzKlAWI&feature=youtu.be

https://www.giants.com/news/training-camp-scrimmage-joe-judge-jason-garrett-patrick-graham-daniel-jones

https://www.giants.com/news/xavier-mckinney-julian-love-david-sills-saquon-barkley-daniel-jones

https://www.giants.com/news/giants-inside-look-spencer-pulley-nick-gates-corey-ballentine-darnay-holmes

https://www.bigblueview.com/2020/8/19/21376148/ny-giants-training-camp-live-updates-8-19-wednesday-practice-report-joe-judge-cody-core

After Tuesday night

Quote from: Bob In PA on August 16, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
Rich: It's not clear to me whether the "rise" is due to the disease itself, or a side-effect of the treatment (i.e., medicines) being given to treat the disease.  Maybe they still don't know for sure.  Bob

Clotting was an issue before the use of various drugs.  Plus, I am not aware of any of the drugs being used for treatment having clotting as a side affect

Doctors see rise in limb-threatening blood clots during COVID-19 crisis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-see-rise-in-limb-threatening-blood-clots-during-covid-19-crisis/ar-BB180iGs?ocid=msedgdhp

https://www.giants.com/news/daniel-jones-evan-engram-darius-slayton-corey-ballentine-darnay-holmes

https://www.giants.com/news/sideline-view-action-begins-with-phase-3-underway

Quote from: T200 on August 14, 2020, 09:05:52 AM
I get where you're coming from when it comes to public safety and doing what's best for the communities in which we live.

I don't remember who recently used the "hammer approach" analogy but it's appropriate here. I understand you want to reach people to motivate and convince them to do what's best for the greater good. Shaming works on some people, not all. Guilt-tripping works on some, not all.

There's a difference between holding someone accountable and condemning them. No one likes to be condemned. Speech is powerful. I can't remember where I heard it but I remember this from years ago: "Use your words to influence people in such a way that if you tell them to 'go to hell' they will look forward to the trip."

Tim,

I get what you are saying, but I am not trying to win anyone over (in fact to the best of my knowledge everyone posting on this forum says they wear a mask).    Since there is no one to "reach", I see no point in covering up or sugar-coating the cold harsh truth.

Quote from: T200 on August 14, 2020, 07:49:14 AM
Rich,

I generally roll with you but it's definitive and divisive categories like this that I can't support.

It's like you're either an Eli lover or Eli hater. There's no room for anything else.

Everyone has different priorities and motivations. Just because they differ doesn't make them bad.

Sorry, you feel this way.  Tim, I am a product of my upbringing.   I had two parents who were good people and cared about others, and both of them were volunteers (Plus, my father served in the Airforce).   They taught me right and wrong and how I should behave as a person.  I was also raised Catholic and that religious teaching was that being a good moral person required sacrifice and that you are your bother's keeper.   From that upbringing, no amount of political bull shiite is going to make me think that you are anything but a bad self-centered person when you refuse to deal with a minor inconvenience to protect the lives of family, friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens. 


That sense of duty to others and nation is what motived me to devote 35 years of my life to volunteering to help my community.  It is what motivated me to risk my life for 3 months doing Covid testing.


Sometimes in life, right and wrong are not all that complicated.  This, my friend, is one of those times.   I think it's noble of you not to want to hurt the feelings of others, but I believe it's nobler to try and not physically harm others.    I guess you could try the ignorance defense for the anti-mask people, but frankly, I consider most of those in the willful ignorance category.

I will say it again, there are issues where there is right and there is wrong and this is one of them.  Not wearing a mask is wrong and those that refuse to wear one are bad people.   Priorities or beliefs don't change that.

Quote from: LennG on August 13, 2020, 06:37:29 PM
Pretty interesting arguement about masks and who wears them and why

'I really don't care, do U?' How the act of refusing to wear a mask became the new symbol of American fear

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-really-don-t-care-do-u-how-the-act-of-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-became-the-new-symbol-of-american-fear/ar-BB17VLQH?ocid=msedgntp

I kind of agree with just about everything the author says and I feel he was being pretty even handed on it.

What I do feel and I don't feel this way because of Trump or my political leanings, I do feel what most science and doctors have been preaching, that wearing a mask will help defeat the virus.

Since I do feel this way, it just makes sense ot me to blame Trump for so many people not wanting to wear a mask and prolonging this virus and the many needless deaths it has caused. If Trump had bought into the theory of wearing masks to end this, once and for all, there would be no red/blue anything about wearing a mask. But, since Trump, the person, thinks he knows more than anyone else, he decided, by no one's advice but his own thoughts, that the virus was nothiong serious and it will be gone by Easter. That alone set the tone for the now red--don't wear a mask, and the blue--wear one to protect others.

IMVHO to anyone that thinks Trump has done an adequete job handeling this pandemic, they are just dead wrong.

I separate them into two groups


Good patriotic Americans who care about their nation.  Since they care about their nation they will do what it takes to protect our nation and our people

Bad self centered people-  These are the ones that often wrap themselves up in our flag but in reality hate our nation.  Their philosophy is, "ask not what I can do for my Country, as what my country can do for me"

The number of deaths in the United States through July 2020 is 8% to 12% higher than it would have been if the coronavirus pandemic had never happened. That

Quote from: philo43 on August 13, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
Coronavirus in Europe: Infections surge in France, Germany and Spain

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

"More than 1,200 cases were reported in Germany in the past 24 hours. Officials said the rise was due, in part, to people returning from holidays.

It came as Germany warned against non-essential trips to parts of Spain.

Meanwhile, France had 2,524 new cases in 24 hours, the highest daily rise since its lockdown was lifted in May."


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"Spain is facing the worst coronavirus infection rate in Western Europe. It recorded 1,418 new infections in its latest daily count on Tuesday and said there were 675 "active outbreaks" in the country.

Salvador Macip, an expert in health sciences at Catalonia's Open University, told AFP news agency the country was at a "critical moment".

"We are right at a point where things can get better or worse. This means we have to pull out all the stops to curb outbreaks before they become more serious," he said.

In total, Spain has recorded more than 326,000 cases - the highest number in Western Europe and the 11th highest in the world."

To give those daily numbers some context, the US had over 50,500 new cases yesterday