Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Philosophers on March 16, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
They better address O Linemen and not D Linemen in the first three rounds if they want to be a better team in 2017.  I don't care if it's via FA, the draft or trades, but that is the hole and it is pretty damn clear.

I don't know how anyone could see it any other way.....

I have always advocated trading a pick for a proven starter, it takes the mystery out of it and gives you what you need instead of drafting and hoping..

Quote from: President Rick on March 13, 2017, 10:33:19 AM
this year's mocks are all over the place and I see no way to predict who'll be there for us at #23.   however, it does seem that some [and an increasing number] of the potential draftees are already situational players  [read alabama's ER named williams] making it even harder to judge where they will fit in an nfl style O or esp. on the D.  As for the O linemen, that often means a ? as to whether he's G or T, pass or run blocker or both.   For the TE, blocker, receiver, both??  And for the RB's, for whom I'd not want to use a first round pick - except once in a decade when a zeke elliott comes along if I had the chance - ???'s about can he pass block, catch the ball, etc.  All these IMO result from the changes in the college game, incl. the spread O and the rise of situational players.  These college rosters are 95 strong so it's easy to see how college coaches can move to the situational format [rotate and rest with your situational guys].  So if we take a D. Dawkins, it may be because he is the BPA left to us at 23 , when most of the "sure things" are gone and some of the remaining players are situational guys [like williams] or simply untried at some of the nfl skills we want to see.

this is just a question because I don't know but what kind of a blocker is Ezekiel Elliot or is he just a very good runner..

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2017, 10:28:17 AM
Guys,

I can understand and appreciate the assertion that McCaffrey would be a better player.  However, I subscribe to the school of thought that you need to build your line before you add skill players (with the exception of franchise QB).   The team can realistically get a starting caliber RG in round 2 and maybe three, they are not going to find any starting caliber OTs after they pick at 23.   

Drafting McCaffrey would be too similar to drafting David Wilson to run behind a poor line.  Zeke looked like such a great pick for the Cowboys because they had a great line to block for him.

nobody would disagree with you about building the line first but my reason for taking McCaffrey in round one is adding more talent to the offense because of time constraints with Eli's window starting to close...

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2017, 10:28:17 AM
Guys,

I can understand and appreciate the assertion that McCaffrey would be a better player.  However, I subscribe to the school of thought that you need to build your line before you add skill players (with the exception of franchise QB).   The team can realistically get a starting caliber RG in round 2 and maybe three, they are not going to find any starting caliber OTs after they pick at 23.   

Drafting McCaffrey would be too similar to drafting David Wilson to run behind a poor line.  Zeke looked like such a great pick for the Cowboys because they had a great line to block for him.

if we really draft by BPA then McCaffrey has to be a better choice  talent wise than a bottom of the barrel lineman

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2017, 09:59:04 AM
Rich: Nice report; the ideal move would be trade down a few spots then take him, but we both know that's not likely to happen.

Nevertheless, the Giants should not pass up Christian McCaffrey if he is there at pick 23. 

I really don't care who else is available.

Passing on McCaffrey IMO would be equivalent to the teams who passed on Zeke Elliott last year.

Bob

Bob I have never been someone who went along with the BPA theory since it might allow you to pass on someone you need to take someone you don't need, if that makes sense..For this reason I think it would be dumb to pass on a talent like McCaffrey if he's there when we pick..

I agree that Coughlin may decide to take the embarrassing problem of having the Mara's fire him by retiring, hell he's going to be 70...

Quote from: T200 on December 21, 2015, 09:42:17 PM
Rhythm

exactly

with the new stadium on the horizon I think Mara knows he has to keep the fans happy or the seats might not be filled

Quote from: todge on December 25, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
One other angle that has not been discussed- how does Mara sell to the fan base another  year of a coach who has not made the Playoffs for four years.


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thats a good point, after all Mara is a businessman selling a product......

someone just said on here that TC had no running game, well I think part of the problem with that is whoever it is who decided on a run game by committee, that concept didn't work and we stayed with it too long before we let Jennings have the touches he needed to get going.

Quote from: Mikey Ravioli on December 22, 2015, 10:08:22 AM
I think TC has earned the right to leave on his own terms rather than be ridden out of town on a rail.
That being said - I wouldn't mind if he decided to retire after this season.

Not because I don't think he's a good coach or he is losing it. But because no coach can turn chicken sh*t into chicken salad. No coach has done more with less but keeping him on without the talent is cruel and unusual punishment for a man who deserves better.

TC will never be fired but he might be asked politely to retire.

My disappointment with McAdoo is the running back by committee, as far as I can see it was a mistake and it took him too long to realize that.

I can't see how TC can escape his responsibility in this OBJ fiasco, he saw what was going on and did nothing. Maybe if he had stepped in and sat OBJ down and had a coach talk with him things wouldn't have escalated to the point that it did. I also can't see how Norman escaped with no league penalties and I might add that the officials in that game were responsible in a big way.

MG I hate to look stupid but I don't see "additional options" to click on, where is it?