Big Blue Huddle

  I hate the Eagles, but really hard to not like him after seeing him with no shirt on partying during the one playoff game and enjoying time with fans.  Seems like a good guy.

  I will be interested to see how effective the Brotherly Shove is going forward without him.  He was a big part of the success of that play, along with the massive quads of Hurts of course.

I think his board sets up perfectly for us.  My personal preference is one of the WRs, as I am honestly not sure what to make of the QBs and how good they are.  But in the end, one of those 6 should be the pick.  I like Bowers, but I think six is too high and not our biggest issue.  And I don't want to draft an OT and move to RT.  We tried that already.  We can get a RT later in the draft, as the OT depth I think is pretty good for the first three rounds or so.

  This doesn't change my view that we need to go QB or WR at pick 6.  It is where the value is.  I don't want to take an OT and try to switch him to RT (if they wanted to move Neal inside).  I think six is a bit too high for Bowers and not nearly our biggest problem.  If one of the QBs or Harrison, Odunze, or Nabers were the pick, I would be more than happy with that.

I still have a lot of confidence in Schoen, but I hope he did learn something from this year.  As the point was made above, he and the organization were a bit too seduced over the 2022 season and pushed things a bit too much.

I am not that worried over signings like Waller or Campbell, as they weren't huge money and getting out of those contracts is pretty easy.  The Jones signing though looks horrible. 

I still am very concerned about our player development though.  I am a big Alabama fan.... you can't tell me that Neal should be a bust two years in.  Not saying he should be a star, but he has a high floor at worst.  Banks had a good year, but was it good enough?  Hyatt didn't have a year like his preseason would have suggested.  Schmitz wasn't what was expected.  I am really starting to wonder if our player development is the bigger problem than the players we are drafting.  I just feel like we are not getting the most out of the players drafted.

Is there something rotten about this franchise in general?  I feel like we keep trying to change things, but nothing ever seems to change.  We are constantly near the top in injuries each year, even after changing strength and conditioning coaches, the turf (which still apparently sucks), etc.  We change GMs and we still seem to have issues getting players.  The Packers have like 8 guys that are competent WRs, and we have trouble having a couple.  And the coaches seem to not be coaching anyone up, even though we have had so many head coaches and assistants over the past ten years or so.

I expected 2023 to be worse than 2022 (I thought 8-9), but this year was much worse than expected.  And I was hopeful that 2024 would be a year to legitimately compete for playoff victories as our players developed and we got out from under salary cap hell, but we seem so far away from anything right now.  And the more we change, the more nothing seems to change.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 05, 2023, 01:23:57 PMRight now the Giants are being outscored 46-122 through 4 games.  They're 32nd in points scored and 30th in points allowed.  The defense has been just as much of an issue (though not as much Monday night) as the offense.  In the 49'ers game they couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.  It's hard for the offense to get into a rhythm if they are barely on the field.

I'm not trying to argue the offensive line isn't an issue that doesn't need to get fixed I am arguing that trying to fix it with more premium investments at the expense of other areas of need is not going to change much when you are as bad as they have been in all areas.

I'm at work and admittedly didn't look this up, but 30th in points given up is slightly overstated, as how many points have been given up by the offense or special teams, either directly (punt block for TD, INT for TD) or indirectly (Jones fumble deep in our territory)?  I am not absolving the defense of anything here, but the points against is heavily influenced by deficiencies in the offense and special teams for sure.

I've consistently said that they would be slightly worse than last year.  8-9 is my official prediction.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 13, 2023, 09:54:59 AMIf any of you members would like to send a sympathy or mass card to Jim's wife Marie and his family, send me a PM and I'll give you the address.

Is there any way that we could export this thread into an email or something so we could share everyone's posts and thoughts with his family?  A mass or sympathy card is nice, but those are just pre-written words.  What people typed here was from everyone's hearts and may provide some comfort to his family.

So very saddened to hear of this news.  I didn't know Jim, but sounds like he made the world a much better place.  And considering all the evil in the world right now, we couldn't afford to lose a man like that.

May you rest in peace Jim and enjoy talking to all the angels about Giants football.

Darrel

  Sorry for being late to the game here.  My name is Darrel.   I live in Northern NJ.

  Ten different analysts will have ten different picks for the Giants.  And Jerry is going to multiple pro days.  I can post something too that says that my "sources" suggest the Giants will pick _____. 

  Maybe he will be right in the end, but 33 years of drafts with no 1st round LB and the Giants' preference for DE and CB suggests he will not be correct.  Besides, who knows of someone of interest will slide to 23 and throw off the entire assumption he has. 

Quote from: Vette on March 17, 2017, 03:39:29 PM
Best Player Available. There are no guarantees in life and in football. I can see them picking a OT, DB, WR...but DT would make the most sense if the player was a starting caliber 3T.

  Agreed.  Because there are no major holes in the roster now except for DT, I can see them going anywhere in Round 1.  That is why filling major holes in free agency is so important... it allows us to draft for value and not need.

  I really like the idea of Massie, although I suspect that the Giants would not go in that direction so quickly after taking Brewer.  Not that I think Massie is not better, but that I don't see the Giants going for another RT type and giving up on Brewer so quickly.

  FWIW, I would love an OT, but I suspect that the Giants are comfortable rolling with Beatty, Diehl, Brewer, and Locklear for this year.  Just my suspicion.

  Guys, I have two about 10 rows from the field.  Great seats.  With a four year old, busy job, and stuff around the house, I am at a point where getting to a game is a time commitment that I cannot make too much right now.  I try to get to the big games (Eagles, Cowboys), but most other games I cannot get to right now.  Let me get my tix in the mail and make sure no one else I know wants any tix first, then I will be more than happy to discuss with the board.