Big Blue Huddle

Saturday, BBQ after practice for me.

While option B would probably work best from me, there is no practice on Sunday, only Saturday.

Training camp dates got released yesterday.
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-announce-Training-Camp-Schedule/358c3f2b-4c79-4ec6-8d78-3171fae5723d

Fri., Aug. 3: 1:00 p.m.
Sat., Aug. 4: 1:00 p.m.
Sun., Aug. 5: No Practice

I think there were several of these "season saving" plays over the last 4 weeks of the season.  Obviously the JPP blocked field goal would be the first (chronologically).  While technically that field goal could only have tied the game, it prevented the Giants from having to go into overtime.  Totally agree about the 99 yard Cruz touchdown.  Was totally deflating to the Jets.  They had a four point lead and were about to get the ball back with plenty of time to score and great field position.  The Giants TD totally flipped the script.  In a game the Jets were physically dominating until that point, they were now losing.  While they got into field goal range before the end of the half, the FG was missed.  In the final game of the season I think it was again Cruz to the rescue.  The Giants had come screaming out to a 21 point lead, but were faltering through the second half.  The Giants' lead dwindled to 21-14 and the Cowboys had all the momentum.  With about 11 minutes left the Giants had a 3rd and 7 and were facing yet another failed drive.  Manning spun out of a would be sack, heaved up a prayer downfield that Cruz somehow came up with.  44 yards.  The Giants now had field position, with a lead.  They ended up kicking a field goal to go up 2 possessions and gave the Cowboys the ball back with under 6 minutes.

Anyone else sincerely hoping that in a couple years we can answer this with "David Wilson"?

I think it has to be between Barber and Hampton.  Hampton played on some really bad teams so I think his 3.8 career YPC isn't really indicative of how good he was.  I believe he also still holds the records for lowest percentage of fumbles (with some minimum # of carries).  The definition of a reliable back.  That said, Barber was a complete back.  He could hit the home run and was surprisingly effective between the tackles and on short yardage.  He was great out of the back-field and a willing, if unspectacular blocker.  Not sure any of the other backs on here were the complete package like that.  If he wasn't a fumble machine early in his career I don't think this contest would even be close.

Quote from: vette on April 21, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
You gotta love Gruden. When Coach Coughlin decides to step off the sidelines, I would love to see a NY Giants cap on JG.

I've heard this sentiment on the board alot and I couldn't disagree more.  Jon Gruden took Tony Dungy's team to a Superbowl and won, great.  What else did he do?  His team plummeted to 4-12 the following year and showed tremendous inconsistency during his tenure.  His total Tampa Bay record was 57-55, 2 games above .500.  He won 3 division championships in his 7 years, but one team was a 9-7 joke that won a bad division.

Additionally, as a personnel man he ran the Bucs into the ground.  He was never able to successfully develop a quarterback and he wasted money on over the hill (Tim Brown) or high priced free agents, while letting the core of his team like Warren Sapp and John Lynch leave. 

I think he is an average motivator/coach who fell into the right position at the right time and a terrible personnel man.

I really think this guy has Jamarcus Russell v.2 written all over him.  I'm still upset by the way the NCAA handled their investigation of his father and the demanding money for play.  If Newton wasn't the Heisman Trophy winner about to play for a National Championship they would have thrown the book at him.  I think there are some obvious maturity issues with Newton to go along with his questionable transition into the NFL.  We've seen the "new breed" of quarterback time and time again with the same results.  The only successful QB at the NFL level that meets that criteria is McNabb, and I think it's fair to question what he would have been had he not played under Andy Reid.  If last year's performance is any indicator, it wouldn't have been good.  Michael Vick, with the exception of last year was a very pedestrian passer and never truly developed into the threat everyone thought he would become.  Daunte Culpepper had several good seasons but blew out his knee doing what?  Running.  Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young are newer examples of quarterbacks who everyone thought "can run for a few first downs" while they learned the pro passing game.  It just doesn't work like that. 

Quote from: T200 on April 13, 2011, 03:21:34 PM

Quote from: zephirus on April 13, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
"While at that team, she was the subject of harassment.  She chose not to report that harassment and never made a single complaint to anyone, other than talking to her friends about her life. "

This is the biggest key of all for me.  If we are going to take sexual harassment seriously it HAS TO BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.  Anything less means that the attention was, at best, welcome or warranted, and at worst, ignored.  Unless it is made clear that the actions taken are offensive, the "victim" loses all credibility.  Favre is culpable for harassment.  Sterger is equally culpable for not reporting it.  

I don't hold her accountable for the situation just because she didn't report the harassment.  Consider that the incident with Inez Sainz was still fresh, Sterger clearly didn't want that kind of scrutiny heaped on her.  Let's face it, when it comes to sexual harassment/rape, more often than not, it's the victimized woman who is put on trial, not the offender. The woman has to defend her actions before the light is cast on the perpetrator.  How is that just?

Mike/T200,

I'm not suggesting that Sterger's refusal to quickly report the harassment in any way condones Favres behavior.  Nor am I suggesting that Favre's actions weren't disgusting.  I'm not even suggesting that her failure to report it makes his behavior warranted.  I'm simply suggesting that if she had reported this quickly and quietly, it would not have garnered the media frenzy that happened later as a result of her waiting.  She probably could have even made the report anonymously.  I totally agree that most women that are victimized by harassment are reluctant to step forward because of the scrutiny it will place on them, but I think it's a terribly weak excuse.  I have a hard time believing an employer would fire a female who reported sexual harassment, usually they are more than accomodating to make sure that the behavior doesn't continue (possibly by firing the perpetrator), and that male colleagues are made aware of what is and isn't acceptable.  I think not reporting it sends one of two messages.  One is that the contact/behavior is ok.  Two is that the texts (in this case) were being ignored.  Neither sends a distinct message to stop.  There was also rumors that Sterger sent a text saying "If that is you in the picture you have a reason to smile", in reference to a picture of Favre's manhood.  If true, it totally undermines her credibility that the contact was unwarranted. 

I think most self respecting females who are made uncomfortable at work by sexual harassment report it immediately.  Until females see it as the best option, this will only be cyclical.

"While at that team, she was the subject of harassment.  She chose not to report that harassment and never made a single complaint to anyone, other than talking to her friends about her life. "

This is the biggest key of all for me.  If we are going to take sexual harassment seriously it HAS TO BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.  Anything less means that the attention was, at best, welcome or warranted, and at worst, ignored.  Unless it is made clear that the actions taken are offensive, the "victim" loses all credibility.  Favre is culpable for harassment.  Sterger is equally culpable for not reporting it.  

I disagree with the notion that what one chooses to wear has no relevance to their ability to be taken seriously.  Most companies have strict dress codes (I myself must wear a tie every day).  I have no problem with anyone selling their sexuality, reporters, models, athletes.  That makes good business sense.  That being said, you can't "cry wolf", if you aren't taken seriously.  Ines Sainz and Jenn Sterger had/have valid complaints, but their appearances in the media wasn't because they asked hard line questions, it was because they have epic figures.  If I recall correctly, Sainz didn't even ask Sanchez football related questions.  And I won't buy the notion that being pretty is a hinderance for women in the media.  There are plenty of attractive women who are good reporters.  Suzy Kolber and Erin Andrews come to mind.  It's interesting to note that I've never seen either of them dress provacatively (Andrews typically goes with turtlenecks).

Thanks to all who made a newcomer feel welcome!  Certainly enjoyed talking some Big Blue before the season while enjoying some good food and good company.  Special thanks to President Rick and Pagan43!