This is what really happened

[Jclayton92]

I just know that this team has churned players over the past 5 years and the one constant besides Sertling Shepherd is Jones, at some point we've got to change and I think it starts there.

[MightyGiants]

I just know that this team has churned players over the past 5 years and the one constant besides Sertling Shepherd is Jones, at some point we've got to change and I think it starts there.

PFF grades of players drafted by Schoen

Evan Neal- 36.1

Joshua Ezeudu- 40.6

Marcus McKethan- 46.4

John Michael Schmitz Jr.- 49.0

Daniel Bellinger- 52.9

Eric Gray- 53.0

Jalin Hyatt- 56.3

Wan'Dale Robinson- 66.8

Dane Belton- 37.7

Kayvon Thibodeaux- 44.1

Tre Hawkins III- 45.1

Micah McFadden- 49.1

Deonte Banks- 61.8

D.J. Davidson- 67.5

Jordon Riley- 74.2

Cor'Dale Flott- 77.7

[Rambo89]

I just know that this team has churned players over the past 5 years and the one constant besides Sertling Shepherd is Jones, at some point we've got to change and I think it starts there.

That and how the Giants are putting together offensive line units with the assets they have to work with.  Are there still too many Mara cronies scouting and voices in the room having a say in who the Giants bring in and how they coach these guys?  IDK the answer to that.

[Ed Vette]

PFF grades of players drafted by Schoen

Evan Neal- 36.1

Joshua Ezeudu- 40.6

Marcus McKethan- 46.4

John Michael Schmitz Jr.- 49.0

Daniel Bellinger- 52.9

Eric Gray- 53.0

Jalin Hyatt- 56.3

Wan'Dale Robinson- 66.8

Dane Belton- 37.7

Kayvon Thibodeaux- 44.1

Tre Hawkins III- 45.1

Micah McFadden- 49.1

Deonte Banks- 61.8

D.J. Davidson- 67.5

Jordon Riley- 74.2

Cor'Dale Flott- 77.7

Or it's a reflection of young players getting acclimated or it's a coaching issue or a bad fit to scheme. I was happy to see Flott make a comeback.

[Jclayton92]

PFF grades of players drafted by Schoen

Evan Neal- 36.1

Joshua Ezeudu- 40.6

Marcus McKethan- 46.4

John Michael Schmitz Jr.- 49.0

Daniel Bellinger- 52.9

Eric Gray- 53.0

Jalin Hyatt- 56.3

Wan'Dale Robinson- 66.8

Dane Belton- 37.7

Kayvon Thibodeaux- 44.1

Tre Hawkins III- 45.1

Micah McFadden- 49.1

Deonte Banks- 61.8

D.J. Davidson- 67.5

Jordon Riley- 74.2

Cor'Dale Flott- 77.7

Those are rookies and 2nd year players not 5th year players....

Jones QBR the last 6 games

1. 54.2
2. 22.3
3. 38.2
4. 75.2
5. 8.7
6. 11.7


Jones is on pace for 2,652 yards 6 Tds and 18 Int but yeah let's blame the rookies.

[MightyGiants]

Those are rookies and 2nd year players not 5th year players....

Jones QBR the last 6 games

1. 54.2
2. 22.3
3. 38.2
4. 75.2
5. 8.7
6. 11.7


Jones is on pace for 2,652 yards 6 Tds and 18 Int but yeah let's blame the rookies.

I thought we were talking about the players Schoen brought in and how well they have been playing.  What do the stats Jones generated running for his life have to do with that?

[MightyGiants]

Those are rookies and 2nd year players not 5th year players....

Jones QBR the last 6 games

1. 54.2
2. 22.3
3. 38.2
4. 75.2
5. 8.7
6. 11.7


Jones is on pace for 2,652 yards 6 Tds and 18 Int but yeah let's blame the rookies.

https://x.com/JoeBanner13/status/1711506313698832396?s=20

https://x.com/JoeBanner13/status/1711505215684587611?s=20

[Rambo89]

Those are rookies and 2nd year players not 5th year players....

Jones QBR the last 6 games

1. 54.2
2. 22.3
3. 38.2
4. 75.2
5. 8.7
6. 11.7


Jones is on pace for 2,652 yards 6 Tds and 18 Int but yeah let's blame the rookies.

You don't get it PFF grades are facts when they support the narrative you want.  When they aren't you look for other grades/stats like QBR.  And when QBR doesn't support the narrative you ignore it.  Think we all need to understand how these things work.