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OR, what you do in shorts and t-shirt is not a true indication of what you can do in full pads when some guy is trying to impede and reroute you.  And at the end of the 40, the 10 yard split, or 3-cone drill you aren't expected to catch the ball.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 12:12:25 PMCreativity will be at a premium this year as ST coaches will have to figure out how to deal with the radical change in the kickoff rules.  A team that really nails how to deal with the new rules could reap a significant competitive advantage.  Let's hope that with a new ST coaching staff and influx of potential talent that team is the Giants.

I couldn't agree more.   This is the season, more than any other, where a team's fortunes could be greatly impacted by who they have as their special team's coordinator.

Creativity will be at a premium this year as ST coaches will have to figure out how to deal with the radical change in the kickoff rules.  A team that really nails how to deal with the new rules could reap a significant competitive advantage.  Let's hope that with a new ST coaching staff and influx of potential talent that team is the Giants.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:37:37 AM@kingm56 just the other day posted multiple examples of Qbs playing at an elite level despite having one of the worst olines in the NFL but we are supposed to give Jones a pass that he looks worse than most of the backups that started at some point last season in the same scenario.

Eli won a super bowl with a horrible offensive line but we can't even expect starter level play out of Jones? Yes the line was bad last year but that doesn't explain the 3 year arc of Jones refusing to throw down the field.

Qbs are supposed to make their team better and Jones has never done that even consistently. Pointing to a half here or a quarter here after 6 years just doesn't cut it.

Here's another example of your extreme bias.  Those other successful QBs with bad (but nowhere near as bad as the 2023 Giants) OLs had good receivers.  Where's the QB who was successful with BOTH a bad OL AND bad receivers?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 07:49:08 AMSo that would have been 18 sacks to 30 over a 6 game stretch. If you deduct the sacks that were his fault then they are about even.

The problem is that we are having this conversation at all with Jones making 40 million. I don't think Lock is really any better than Jones but the fact that it is even a conversation should be alarming.

This discussion wouldn't be necessary if every post of yours about DJ didn't reflect your extreme bias.  Like ignoring the difference in sacks rates.  Blaming the sacks on DJ. Ignoring the difference between the 7th ranked WR group and bottom 5 receiver group. 

Quote from: LennG on May 06, 2024, 07:42:25 PMSince I am from a different generation, my idea of Rockers may differ from some others

#5 Debbie Harry
#4 Grace Slick
#3-Cher
#2-Ronnie Spector (Ronnettes)
#1--Tina Turner

And just for pure best voice Mama Cass

I like Cher as well, and probably should have thrown her into the mix as she can get down and rocky with some of her songs. I saw the Ronnettes about 25 years ago on the 18th hole at the BC Open and ran smack into Ronnie after the concert. She was very down to earth and friendly. I told her that I thought her show was marvelous and that I loved her voice. She sheepishly told me "thank you" and "that means a lot to me". Smiled from ear to ear. Hard to believe she was married to that creep Phil Spector  Hard to fathom how successful he was getting the Beatles going and a myriad of other singers (Tina Turner, the Righteous Brothers, the individual Beatles after their breakup, etc.) before committing the most horrendous murder. The movie "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", really tells the story of all the big wigs in the music industry and film industry during the 60's if one keeps track, and even the Manson murders...and of course, Spector is right there in the middle of it. It's like the true history of Hollywood...but I digress

As far as best voice, Mama Cass (Ellen Naomi Cohen, known professionally as Cass Elliot) hated the name "Mama", but had the voice of a diva in an opera...for which she aspired to until her untimely death. Unbelievably great voice, with a unique quality that sets her apart from all female voices. Cher also has that unique sound that no can reproduce. Personally, I'd have to say Whitney Houston is probably the top voice for females, but again, it's all subjective. And I'd be remiss not to mention Mariah Carey with her six octave range...which is utterly ridiculous



Whitney sang the greatest love song ever sung...IMO. This song still brings tears to my eyes, which is the mark of once-in-a-lifetime singer, who can create such an emotion. It was especially dramatic as it was pumped over the loudspeakers as her casket was rolled away down the church aisle at her funeral 

I think people are expecting too much production in college for a 3rd round pick.  He's a slot corner - I imagine that plays into the lack of INTs.  Typically the wideouts he'd cover are not deep-speed guys, they're jitter-bug guys with quick acceleration who run digs and slants, maybe a seam route against a zone.   Not exactly routes or throws that are more likely to be picked off.

There's nothing wrong with this for a 3rd round pick.  If he's as studious and aware as advertised, that's a "whole is worth more than the sum of the parts" kind of player that can be a valuable role player.  If there's any concern from me, and it's been echoed around here, isn't this Cordale Flott version 2.0? 

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 11:04:19 AMI hope Michael Ghobrial is successful, even with an unimpressive résumé. I see he spent two years at SUNY Cortland, a school where I spent a couple of years before transferring to Binghamton U., and is right in my backyard. They were D3 National Champions last season, which is neither here nor there (just putting in a plug for them) and they've been well known nationally for superior soccer, baseball, and lacrosse teams, winning a number of championships. It's the "jock school" of the SUNY system, and even though it is plugged as an "education and teachers' school", its real focus is on sports

I suspect, if Ghobrial is not pretty successful in a short time period, that he will be replaced. Schoen doesn't seem to have a lot of patience with coaches who don't make good things happen

I appreciate that resumes are only part of the story.  I have interviewed people with meh resumes who just hit it out of the park with their interviews.   I am assuming that was the case with Ghobrial.

I hope Michael Ghobrial is successful, even with an unimpressive résumé. I see he spent two years at SUNY Cortland, a school where I spent a couple of years before transferring to Binghamton U., and is right in my backyard. They were D3 National Champions last season, which is neither here nor there (just putting in a plug for them) and they've been well known nationally for superior soccer, baseball, and lacrosse teams, winning a number of championships. It's the "jock school" of the SUNY system, and even though it is plugged as an "education and teachers' school", its real focus is on sports

I suspect, if Ghobrial is not pretty successful in a short time period, that he will be replaced. Schoen doesn't seem to have a lot of patience with coaches who don't make good things happen

Quote from: T200 on Today at 10:45:15 AMI understand your point, Rich.

My point is that despite his being 10th in separation yards, that statistic did not contribute to his issues. If he had held onto the majority of the passes thrown his way, 1) he'd probably still be a Giant, and 2) his separation yards would not be discussed.

I won't disagree that his untimely drops certainly were a major issue for him.