Big Blue Huddle

Exactly what I was about to type, Ed. You don't let franchise QBs hit the open market...

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 15, 2022, 12:53:26 PMWhy not say that they're committed to Jones? If they were, wouldn't it be best for him and the team at that point? They could always change their minds down the road. It's not going to affect their off season negotiations. How would that hurt them to reveal that? Explain.

They weren't at that point and that's why he said they are still evaluating him.

That's my point, Ed. They're not committed to Jones; if they were, the answer would be different.  I'm a big fan of paying attention to actions over words.  Concerning the former, clearly the Giants have a strategy mapped-out that doesn't include Jones as their long-term/franchise QB.  If they did, they would have exercised his 5th year option, or given a vote of confidence by approaching his agent on a new deal.  They did neither, which reveals their plan.  I think we might be in violent agreement in that we both believe the Giants relative draft position may force them to offer DJ a 2/3 year deal in the 20/25 million dollar deal, or use the rarely used transition tag. Where we differ is I don't believe the next few games will alter the Giants current plan.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 15, 2022, 12:28:35 PMI'm not even sure if they've finalized that part of it yet.  Think though to your point they are leaning in a certain direction but having not gone through the combine, pro days, etc. I don't believe they've finalized things.

If CFO/CEO of a 4+ billon dollar company doesn't have a projected strategy for the next year mapped out, where in big trouble. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 15, 2022, 11:43:15 AMThat's not what Schoen said at the bye when asked if there were any contract negotiations with DJ. What reason would he have to lie when he said they weren't finished with the evaluation and had x amount of games left to evaluate him?

What's the alternative, Ed?  Did you expect Schoen to reveal the Giants long term strategy, while the Giants were still competing for a playoff spot?  What's the benefit of doing so at that time?  There are none, only negatives...hence his response. 

It really is pointless to glean anything from HC and GM press conferences, as they're not going to reveal inner discussion/decisions to the public until it's appropriate to do so. They're a private business, not a publicly traded company; thus, they're under no obligation  to be truthful...

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 15, 2022, 11:18:54 AMYes it is a big game.  But I have a feeling that the brain trust has already set their strategy for the QB position for next year.

I 100% agree, Rich; IMO, the Giants aren't going to disregard the previous 50 games in favor of the last 5.  I believe they set their strategy at the beginning of this season, reevaluated at the midway point, and will execute regardless of the last handful of games. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 15, 2022, 08:06:55 AMAs long as you ignore Geno Smith

Geno Smith started less than two seasons (26 games) before being removed as a starter.  Conversely, DJ will have 55 starts, in fact, DJ will almost have as many GS as Geno Smith's entire 9 year career. I clearly stated three years as a starter; so, your example doesn't work.  The reason I stated three years is examples exist of qb improving in year 3 as a starter, but literally none after year 4. 

Geno actually played really well when given a chance to start in years 3, 4 and 5.  In case you forgot:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/02/when-he-was-last-a-starter-geno-smith-actually-played-pretty-well/

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on December 14, 2022, 10:35:34 PMDaniel Jones is definitely one of the players in the NFL. Of all the NFL players, he is one of them. Some say that Daniel Jones is an NFL player, and I agree with them. And when people say Jones isn't an NFL player? I tell them he is...

... Sorry, I just can't go in circles anymore with identical arguments about Jones, simply featuring this week's stats. I feel like I've read the same thing with different clothes every week since the Giants' winning ways ceased. I know I'm spinning my wheels here (to amuse myself and maybe, hopefully, others), but it's been a relief to not feel obliged to jump in to every Jones thread to get my two cents in.

The MODs have done a great job by starting one DJ thread to rule them all. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 14, 2022, 08:53:26 PMI also wouldn't be surprised if some team does that.  And I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a top 5-10 QB with that team.

Except that literally never happens after more than 2 full years as a starter.

To echo Larry's sentiments, incredibly well done, sir.

Good subject, Lenn!

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Following Lenn's order....my name is Matt and you're free to use it anytime you want, even to curse at me . 

Quote from: Slugs Narrows on July 23, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
Yet Cuomo Pelosi Shurmur Kamal and others were all down playing the vaccine and not trusting it prior to the election. Google it.  YouTube it.  It

Quote from: Slugs Narrows on July 23, 2021, 01:41:45 PM
King

My deepest condolences for your loss.  It is why I do believe for those at the highest risk this vaccine that was developed in amazing time should be taken for those that want it.  I think it

Quote from: Slugs Narrows on July 23, 2021, 01:37:12 PM
Bob

Agreed.  The vaccine our kids are given were not created in months.  They were created, Studied and approved after YEARS AND YEARS of development and testing. 

To start sticking out children with something we don

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 23, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
I am very sorry about your Father, King. I can't begin to imagine how difficult for everyone involved that must have been.

Thanks, Dave; this will be the first football season without him.  I'm sure many here experienced something similar as the love of football (giants) is typically passed on to us from our parents. I know I did my fatherly duties as my son is a 4th generation Giants fan...I feel I've made my contributions to society.