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Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 03:31:32 PMTHE HERD | Greg Cosell tells Colin: Daniel Jones is the best
QB that can win NFC under Brian Daboll

https://youtu.be/DbUO3-SdTOY

Cosell: Daboll comfortable with Jones throwing 45 times....By the way with a Very average core of WRs behind a revolving door offensive line

A) No one said anything about Jones being the best Qb or that he could win the NFC in that video.

B) The last part you put under the video is out of context. He was saying that Daboll felt comfortable with Jones throwing it 45 times in the Vikings game, what does the Vikings team have that give context to the quote? The worst passing defense In the league, he even started it by saying "In the Vikings game Daboll was comfortable" and you left it out.

You know better than this by now its frankly absurd that everything you post has to be triple checked for accuracy instead of just being consumed for learning.

Why wouldn't you just put Cosell talks to Colin Cowherd about Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 02, 2023, 08:09:41 PMWow #8 is a player that I think is going to have almost evry fan on the bandwagon before too much longer. DG made a lot of mistakes granted but picks 2, 4 and 6 were not among them. He nailed those.

In all fairness if he had nailed them you wouldn't have 100's pages of discussion and probably a 100 more pages of deleted discussion on whether to keep them or not.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 01, 2023, 09:14:13 PMGood teams beat bad teams...thats what they are supposed to do. And of course the Jones haters are going to say " but its the Colts" Well look what thety did last week to Hebert and the Chargers. No TDs and an INT by Herbert, But again its Jones... Yeah I get it

What are you talking about? First of all after all the banning and the multiple threads about civil discourse A) posting a picture of an Apology form and B) classifying people as haters is a bold move..  when if you actually read the forum you post in we are pretty much all in agreement he should be resigned at the right price, we've all said that the past few days. It just happens that you and other fans only come around when we win, only post when things are going well.

So I'm not sure what you gloating has to do with Herbert, or whatever you were trying to say.. look back at the game thread, look back at my post today did I say Jones had a bad day Brown? Did I? No I said he had a good game which he did... but to act like he's the next coming of Patrick mahomes and start passing apology forms out because he had a good game is absurd and you're just baiting people at that point.

When Jones has had bad games, because he has this season has anyone came in here the same day and dogged Jones or put faces of free agent QBs on a form? No they haven't because when he has a bad game the team has a bad game. One Good game, just like one bad game does not make a career. So maybe go back and look at the conversation for the past two days before you call people haters. But you love daniel Jones so I guess you get that luxury. Just because I don't want to pay him 40 million a year doesn't mean I hate him, I just love the team more.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 01, 2023, 08:30:34 PMI dont see any gloating

You put up a DJ Apology form after he beat a bad team with no QB, no head coach, and 2 of their star players on offense and defense out.  Just saying.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 01, 2023, 06:32:37 PMTime to admit.

Because he beat a team he was supposed to beat? Don't get me wrong He played really well but to act like he's the future for the next 5 to 10 years is a completely different story.

Erasing the past 4 years in 2 games one of which we lost just isn't possible. Plus people that like Jones and people that aren't fond him are all basically on the same page at this point, we'd love to have you back but... and that but is typically 2 year with reasonable money.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 01, 2023, 05:56:49 PMI think that conclusion was reached by 95% of the board several weeks ago.  Jones is above average and the Giants relative draft position will prevent them from getting thier guy.  The only thing left to discuss is the aperture the Giants' will use to retain his services.  I continue to advocate for the Franchise tag...

Yeah it's all about the money and after the recent contract disasters I think people will be gun shy 3yr 120 is a lot

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 31, 2022, 10:09:42 AMI've said they should roll with Tyrod next year

I personally think this is the better move because:

1. $5.5M vs $30M

2. Gives them a chance to build out the roster some more, upgrades, depth, etc between FA, Draft and UDFA. Tyrod would not be playing with this roster, but an upgraded one, with returning pieces having a year in the system, along with a new turf and players coming back from IR

I think Tyrod w/ an upgraded roster will be a more functional and better offense than DJ with this years crop. If I can upgrade without paying $30M, I will. Then in 2024 draft your guy, another FA and draft to add more too. Unless they draft one this year.

Aside from "their guy" I would also try to pickup another QB in the middle or late rounds that has size and physical tools that translate to the NFL w/ coaching, just as Redskins did with RG3 and Cousins that year, never hurts to take another swing at the bat.

It doesn't even have to be Tyrod but Tyrod plus a minshew or Brisset competing. I'd do everything with my draft picks this year to get more draft picks in 2024. 2024 besides that draft having a ton of Qbs will also be the Free agency where a ton of WRs will be available. So I think stock and load for 2024.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 02:45:54 PMWhat are you talking about?  Players with a 70 or better grade make less than 31% of the snaps.  That's a fact.  Also, why use words like "upset" and "making such a big deal"?  I thought we are talking numbers and analytics

well since you asked, I used the words because you have a tendency to get emotional about things and then rant on them for 4-5 pages ensuring you get the last word. So instead of having to read the next 4 pages of you getting upset because people weren't taking your 4th and 5th wr pff scores seriously enough I just asked why you were upset.. don't you worry though rich, I won't ever ask about your emotional well being ever again... because your neutral and it's just stats and analytics right?

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 02:21:56 PMYet, when you list stats they are not for just the starters

You're getting upset because our 4th TE and 7th Wr has a 50 pff. Just not sure why you're making such a big deal of players that aren't actively involved in the game..

Quote from: Gman329 on December 28, 2022, 02:27:15 PMOne, the production will continue to increase and two, as I ask above, what are the alternatives?  I sure as hell don't want to start over with a rookie project out of the draft.  So for those who want to move on from DJ, who do you see or want as the Giant QB next year?

What do you think that organizations do when a new regime comes in? The Raiders just benched Derek Carr who has been night and day a better Qb than Jones his whole career. Carr, Tannehill, Jimmy G, Wentz they all fail... signing an average starter for big money always fails. I'm perfectly fine with going backwards next year if it means going forward the next 15 years. There are a ton of Qbs that can match Jones' production for one year at a fraction of the cost.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 02:11:40 PMWhy are you ignoring all the receivers with grades in the 50s and 60s?  Also, why ignore the TE and RB receiving grades?

Most of the guys in the 50s aren't starting... And we all see the balls Jones throws to Barkley, no wonder his PFF is 58.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 12:22:58 PMJones has the second worst contribution of WAR from his supporting cast of any QB in the NFL, yet he is one game away from making the playoffs.  I am not sure how anyone can say that isn't good enough

To be retained at 30 million, because that's what it'll take to resign him. So you're paying Jones 30 million a year content with the production he has now?

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 28, 2022, 08:57:51 AM3:20 Analyzing Daniel Jones' Season + Future

Genuinely seems from the portion that i watched that he's trying to find reasons to like him and then does the same thing we do with Jones every freaking season "well, umm... I want him to be more aggressive NEXT year" "you can't be 11th in QBR (counting his rushing) and have the worst 2-3 pass offense".

It's always until next year, at one point are we going to realize it never materializes NEXT year.

You rarely know what a TE is until year three. That's when they all tend to blossom into what they become as a pro for the remainder of their career.

Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 04:10:44 PMMahomes is gonna go down as one of the greatest ever. There's nothing wrong with saying he makes others around him better.

Tannehill is and always been an average QB who plays in a run first system.

Burrow had 8 TDs and 3 INTs without Chase in 4 games. Very small sample size. In those 4 games - he had a monster game (against Pitt with 4 TDs)- the other 3 were average games for him.

If you want to see what Hopkins meant for Murray - go check out what Arizona did with and without him last year. This year was a wasted year with Murray being banged up and Hopkins missing the first 6 games.

Isn't that Jones though? An average QB In a run first offense. That sums him up perfectly as Tannehill is the Jones ceiling comp for most fans and pundits alike.