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How long do you give a QB

Started by ralphpal1, November 11, 2023, 07:26:34 PM

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ralphpal1

Since training, college, and QBs have changed in the last 10 years how long do you give  a QB. Now before you know its time to.move on ?
2 or 3 years

DaveBrown74

Much depends on specific circumstances, but after two years you should have some idea of what you might have. After three years you should have a pretty good idea of what you do have.

QBs who are bad as rookies and then show no improvement whatsoever in year two are usually busts. Think Darnold, Zack Wilson, and (I know nobody wants to hear this) Jones. Good QBs virtually always improve in year two if they weren't already good as rookies. So I think the real evaluation years are year two and year three. But as I said above a lot of it is circumstantial/individual.

Dgoodmantrublu

Three years unless things are a total disaster. There are rare circumstances where you will know sooner. If you haven't seen enough in three years though, you move on.

Jclayton92


Jaime

Three years of full time duty.
Then you'll know if you have a Starter, a Backup, or a Bust. :yes:

sooners56

2 years is plenty of time to know imo. Had any QB sucked for 2 years then all of a sudden became a good QB in year 3 or beyond? Geno? Can't really think of any others
Ain't nothing to it but to do it!

Dgoodmantrublu

You need moments in those first two years, but not consistent play. Eli was inconsistent early on, but he had some amazing moments within that time frame. Same for Josh Allen.

nb587

Goff had become pretty good

Ed Vette

Depends on whether he plays a partial or full first year. Eli had 17,18 and 20 interceptions his 2-4 years and blossomed in the playoffs.

Aaron Rodgers didn't play his first three years.

It depends on the system they came from in college and their level of development coming in.

QB's this generation need to show something by their second year and sitting in some situations doesn't help if it's too long, like Love.

Year three is tough because of the salary complications.

Trevor Lawrence struggled his first season with a bad situation and came on strong his second year.

Some you just know in their first year, like Rosen and Haskins. 

Some you see warts before the draft, yet they still get drafted high. I think we know Mayfield and Darnold will never win a SB.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Dgoodmantrublu

Mayfield actually had some success early. Then the wheels fell off in year 3.

DaveBrown74

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 11, 2023, 10:51:09 PMMayfield actually had some success early. Then the wheels fell off in year 3.

Actually, it was year two that the wheels came off for him and for the Browns. He had some success as a rookie and challenged Barkley for OROR. Year two he and the team completely flopped. Year three both he and the team were materially improved. Year three was actually the best year of his career. He has been largely bad since, with the exception of having some intermittent success this year.

Gmo11

Quote from: sooners56 on November 11, 2023, 10:17:50 PM2 years is plenty of time to know imo. Had any QB sucked for 2 years then all of a sudden became a good QB in year 3 or beyond? Geno? Can't really think of any others

Josh Allen was pretty bad those first two years wasn't he?

DaveBrown74

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 12, 2023, 05:38:07 AMJosh Allen was pretty bad those first two years wasn't he?

He was bad in his first year, materially improved in year two (albeit still not great), and then broke out with the big year in year three.

There was significant improvement from year one to year two though.

Torus34

Rather than consider 'when', let's talk 'how.' That's relatively simple.

You can evaluate a QB by answering the question, 'What would another NFL team be willing to pay for him as a starting quarterback right now?' Take the highest amount from the most desperate team as the index.

Go, Big Blue!

Bob In PA

VERY timely topic, since that's now the issue with Jones (IMO).

Even if Giants draft a QB & even if it's a high 1st-rounder, that doesn't mean Jones won't start the first game.

If he does and keeps winning, he's not an "old man" by any stretch of the imagination.

Even if it's a high 1st-rounder, the first question will be how long can Jones keep the new guy on the bench.

I'll never forget how long Aaron Rodgers sat waiting for Brett Favre to play himself out of a job. There was even talk of trading Rodgers at one point.

Bob
If Jeff Hostetler could do it, Daniel Jones can do it !!!