Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:16:26 PM"So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table."

Where in that is there hate? You automatically assume he is speaking to Jones play when he could simply be speaking about his health. So without knowing the context it is beyond ridiculous to assume the guy is slamming Jones.

The author brings up major players for every team that the player is going to. They bring up A Rodgers on the Hassan Reddick trade, all the Titans offensive weapons when discussing the Sneed trade, and so on. Jones was not singled out or treated any different than anyone else in the article.

Lingering uncertainty to what Jones brings to the table is more than likely referring to his health.

I saw both you and @DaveBrown74 bring up injuries.  That seems to be an invention to let the author off the hook, though, as the author never suggested he had injury concerns.  He said "limitations," which implies talent, rather than "uncertainty," which one might claim is an injury issue (even if the author never mentioned injury concerns

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:20:04 AMMy original point was that you had people on this forum saying the Giants were going to be "something special" in 2023 based on their observations over the summer through the preseason, and that the eventual reality on the ground was in stark contrast to that. I further noted that that disconnect has occurred plenty of times in the past, both with us and with other fan bases around the league. I specifically noted the disconnect between the intense optimism seen here and the woefully poor performance in week one, which is generally the most reflective week of how well prepared the team was over the various stages of camp and the preseason.

You seemed to disagree with (and want to discredit) my observation by pointing out that Waller, who played the whole game and for another 7 weeks after that, wasn't 100% perfectly healthy and that Andrew Thomas missed some of the game. I personally don't agree that those two issues are why we lost 40-0 or that had every relevant member of the team been 100% healthy (an extreme rarity for any NFL team in any game), that things would have been dramatically different in that game.

To me that game illustrated a lack of preparation of the team and also the team's lack of overall talent and depth. To isolate one or two injuries, even to starters, simply does not debunk the above.

Andrew Thomas did more than just "miss part of the game", he got on the FG attempt that ended the first drive.  Why understate the magnitude of Thomas' injury and its impact on the game?

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 01:22:39 PMGuys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL.  Thomas and Waller would not have mattered.  Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.

That is true.  Although once Thomas was injured, the Giants could no longer afford to send the O-line help to Neal and leave Thomas on an island

Quote from: CVA14 on Today at 01:15:03 PMMighty your first para  suggests that except for his height he has the raw material to become a pass rusher, doesn't it

He's a bit of a longshot, but he might eventually prove to be a rotational pass rusher

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:07:18 AMSo your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?

I am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is.   Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:04:16 AMHow did any of those impact the week one game, which is what I was referencing?

Thomas was injured very early in the game and Waller had been injured prior to the game and was not playing like he had in camp.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 10:54:29 AMWell said, and I couldn't agree more.

I would even take it a step further and argue that the whole of camp and preseason get overhyped too in terms of their meaningfulness and correlation to real games. Look at all the optimism we had on this board in late August/early Sep, and then look at the historically terrible week one performance. That was not the only time we've seen this disconnect either. Not by a longshot, sadly.

Do you think key injuries to Thomas (arguably the offense's best player), Waller, and Jones might have impacted what was expected versus what was produced?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:47:19 AMRich You titled the thread Jones hate among sports pundits and proceeded to list one guy who was talking about Brian burns. Yes he mentioned the qb in a throwaway line but it wasn't hate.

Especially when you consider that the guy in the article talks about the team that the player is going to. Each trade the guy brings up qbs, wrs, tes, and so on for the team the player is going to so Jones wasn't singled out and wasn't the only qb discussed so you're making it into something it absolutely isn't.

Jess,

That wasn't a throwaway line, as you called it; that was an indication of the obsession and hatred some have for Daniel Jones, as there was no reasonable explanation for why the author felt the need to take that potshot.  It's not like Burns is even an offensive player

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:14:01 AMHate? The guy basically said the Giants will only go as far as Jones takes them. I think most would agree with the statement, as he is the Qb for the team currently. If it was any other nfl team that had a qb coming off an injury they'd likely say the exact same thing.

Did I misread the title?  Was this an article about quarterbacks?

Quote from: Trench on Today at 10:17:42 AMThe Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.

Jones had 160 passing attempts, while Taylor and DeVito had 358 attempts (combined).  Why are you blaming Daniel Jones for Bellinger's short comings?

https://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1789658286792331496

Elijah Chatman, DT
Strengths: Powerful interior defensive lineman who flashes next-level ability. Fires off the snap, plays with terrific pad level, and displays good movement skills. Easily changes direction, moves well in lateral pursuit, and is fluid if asked to twist or stunt. Intense and plays through the whistle. Consistently focused on by opponents in the middle of the field.

Weaknesses: Lacks height and growth potential. More of a gap occupier than a playmaker. Poor pass rusher.

Overall: Chatman is an athletic freak who has shown improvement in his game the past three seasons, yet he's a 3-technique prospect with minimal versatility.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/smu-2023-nfl-draft-scouting-reports/

https://x.com/giantswfan/status/1789654525185331704

Q. How do you feel about that cornerback spot on the outside opposite Tae Banks?

BRIAN DABOLL: Look forward to working in phase three and training camp. But I've got a lot of confidence in (Cor'Dale) Flott.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 09:37:45 AMPretty wild to me how much faster Bellinger's 10byard split is but Johnson ran a better 40 time. 

I will take the 10-yard split over the 40 times when it comes to tight ends.