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I'd have said Penix, except he was drafted by idiots.

Quote from: Trench on April 29, 2024, 10:24:14 PMIt is pretty amazing when ya look at it that way

That is why the "eye test" as to be subject to the discipline of stats.  Stats don't tell the whole story but they are the fact checkers for eye tests.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 29, 2024, 04:28:38 PMWas Wink an increasing cancer last year? That was a very strange dynamic to say the least and the defense did not seem like it had a really sound plan many games.

Wink put up a horrific run defense and for all the talk of aggressiveness the Giants were in the bottom 5 of the league in sacks.

Quote from: Trench on April 29, 2024, 01:18:08 PMThe Giants are showing remarkable patience. 5 years is a long time. Our backups played MUCH better in terms of moving the ball this year than our 40 million dollar QB did.

You keep saying that and it keeps being debunked because the rest of the team wasn't the same when DJ played and when the back-ups played.  For example the return of Andrew Thomas.  As I said, it is not a one man game, it's a team game.  And there is a big difference between having AT and not having AT.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 29, 2024, 08:53:49 AMAgreed, he has gone from an elite RB to one that is a bit above average.

3.5 YPC is more than a bit below average.  My guess is he will be a non-factor.

Quote from: Gman329 on April 29, 2024, 08:30:28 AMJust feels like they threw a lot of mediocrity at the problem.  And the spotlight on Neal's struggles somewhat obscured the fact that Schmitz had a subpar, disappointing rookie year.  Are we so sure he'll turn the corner?

They have spent 2 #1s and a #2 on the OL.  If 2 of 3 are, so far, mediocrities then it happened at the catching end, not the throwing end.

Quote from: Trench on April 29, 2024, 11:05:48 AMThank you for the stats.

That type record is just not going to cut it. This year he has to record at least one win against every team in the NFC East. If he were to sweep either Dallas or Philly that would be something to talk about in terms of his progress

Its not a one man game, it's a team game.

For me, the 2 worst takes I've heard are that the receiver rich and QB-less Vikings wanted to trade up for a receiver, not a QB, and that the Giants were hoping that Alt fell to them.

Quote from: LennG on April 29, 2024, 12:19:28 PMThree people to replace one, really doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Barkley did it all and now we have 3 others to replace him.

But at 3.9 YPC he didn't do it particularly well.  This is not the Barkley of 2018-2019.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 28, 2024, 09:05:18 PMWhat was league average 40 something sacks? That would just mean we cut our sacks in half in one year...by becoming.... average     

Exactly.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on April 28, 2024, 03:51:44 PMWould love to see him in BLUE !


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I'm seeing that it was the Bills.  So the Giants should be getting him in a couple of years.   

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 28, 2024, 01:40:50 PMI respectfully disagree. I see it as managing draft capital to maximize overall value to the team. There was no one in this draft that is in the same league with Burns. Maybe one of players in the draft will become a pro-bowl edge rusher, but there is no guarantee of that. Burns is guaranteed, young, and with his best years ahead of him

But we are paying him 10X what we would be paying a regular second rounder.  He is a plus for the team, but by no means should a guy be included in the assessment of a draft class who makes more than the whole class combined.  You talk about maximizing draft capital, but the real trick is maximizing overall team resources.  You can count him towards your draft grade if you want but I don't think that is a useful or rational way to do it.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 28, 2024, 02:50:28 PMI see a ton of negativity here. Giants have this uncanny tendency to do really well when the expectations are low. A lot has to fall right but I am not going into next season without at least some hope either.

After the last 10 or eleven years we are like a QB who has taken too many sacks.  Punch drunk and a little skittery.

Quote from: Just_jimmy on April 27, 2024, 05:06:51 PM1.

Didn't get a franchise QB.  Can't win without one.



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Seems pretty harsh to downgrade a draft for not taking the opportunity of doing something they never even had the opportunity to do.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 28, 2024, 10:49:50 AMThe 2024 Giants' draft should look like this, and THIS IS HOW OUR DRAFT SHOULD BE GRADED:

RD 1 WR Malik Nabers
RD 2 ER Brian Burns
RD 2 S Tyler Nubin
RD 3 CB Dru Phillips
RD 4 TE Theo Johnson
RD 5 RB Tyrone Tracy Jr.
RD 6 LB Darius Muasau

Brian Burns is only 25 yrs old and already has been to two Pro-Bowls at the NFL level. This MUST be taken into consideration when grading this year's draft class!!!

Yes and no.  One of the benefits of building through the draft is the fact that you can get quality players on very cost controlled contract.  I couldn't find a full list showing the rookie slotting for the #39 pick the Giants traded for him, but #32 gets around $12 million.  Burns signed for $141 million with $76 million.  So you really can't look at him as in any way comparable to a 2nd round drafted player.