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It's also how a team grades the player. If they don't fit the system, the grade for one team will be lower than a team the player does fit, like LB or DL. Also, a team picking in the low first round will pick a second round player if the grades are close.

By rounds 5-7 and sometimes 4-7, teams look at filling needs or backup or Special Teams. Especially in rounds 5-7. So, BPA does not apply. As I see Rich just mentioned.

Here is a good example of what the article is talking about in this nice evaluation of Gareon Conley and his use of hands. It's a make or break for a Defensive Back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJDXra4L14&feature=em-subs_digest

Quote from: MP21WAYS2PAY on March 17, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
Looks like DE is off the table....whats left?

Best Player Available. There are no guarantees in life and in football. I can see them picking a OT, DB, WR...but DT would make the most sense if the player was a starting caliber 3T.

Quote from: Painter on March 16, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
The addition of a big 6'4/ 230lb, topnotch "go across the middle", and red zone/ end zone receiver in Brandon Marshall and a very solid blocker and outlet receiving FB/HBack in Rhett Ellison strikes me as a predetermined plan which diminishes the likelihood that the Giants will draft a TE in Round 1.
Cheers!

That's how I see it too.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2017, 05:25:50 PM
I forget where I heard it (but I am pretty sure it was a former NFL GM or scout) but I heard something that sounded the struck me as a good point when it comes to the measurables issues for prospects.  I will paraphrase,  when it comes to measurables of prospects there are going to be some that will beat the odds and play even without the desired measurables.  However, with the draft already a gamble why decrease your odds?

That's why it takes film study however some of these players don't play in an NFL ready system or Offense. Here's what I do know...After two years at LT, should a player know how to get the feet and hands correctly? Same with a Guard. John Jerry is never gonna be a good Run Blocking Guard because his reflexes are too slow. It appears that Flowers is going to get a third year to prove he has the head and the motivation to get the mechanics of the position down.

"Like the physical requisites, there

Does anyone here know for sure what is factored into the grade system the Giants use to grade a player?

In my opinion, you have to look at what Jerry Reese and his Team believe after years of working the Draft feel is a position worthy of a first round Pick. Of course the Giants are not in second round territory but they are in the bottom third of the selection. They have shown that OL, Receiver, DL and DB are worthy of first round selection. QB may also be included because of Eli's age and fall from effectiveness off the previous season. Perhaps they will look at the grades of the players available at those positions and if they are weak look down and see that their second round choice may not be there because of a run on a position.

For a TE or RB to be picked in the first round I think the player would have to be very special.

Linebacker? No. Offensive Lineman with the right criteria I mentioned? Yes. Positions of high collision are the concern. Never a RB. A QB possibly but the chances of finding one worth a first rounder are slim.


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I agree but it depends on the player, his age and his existing contract.


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Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
Ed: Just guessing (from the circumstantial evidence) but I now believe the Giants intend to "compete" strongly to retain Big Hank.

If they felt he was a goner (due to other teams overpaying) they probably would have signed at least one free-agent OL they lost (to the Raiders/Broncos) or allowed to walk (Newhouse).

Bob

That makes sense to me.

Unfortunately, the position the Giants are in is that they need O-Line help in my my opinion. If they agree and the rest of the teams in the draft believe so too then they tipped their hand. The first round pick really needs to be BPA. Not BPA at two positions. Two because if Hankins walks they need two. Before Newhouse was lost the #1 was DT. Now, it looks like a tie to me. 

Thank you for doing this, Rich. Great job!


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In that group, what would be bad luck, Bob?

We have a thread here based on an article about failed #1 Draft picks for the Giants. We have a lot of talk about how teams need to build from the Draft. There are teams that do this very well and they accrue Draft picks and comp picks. They give up on players about to age and deteriorate and build with youth.

The interesting fact is that the Giants have actually done pretty well with their first two Draft picks over the years. They have done well in Free Agency in most cases. How have they done in Drafting from rounds 3-7? Well...not very well at all. It's fair to mention that in rounds 4-7 teams draft for depth, development and Special Teams however there are players who are drafted in later rounds who have become outstanding players.

I won't look at last year's 2016 draft class because the jury is still out but I will say that it looks to be the best in this decade so far. It's arbitrary as to who had some meaningful contribution but I bolded those that are in my opinion. Here is 2010-2015 and you decide:

2015
Owa- 3
M. Thompson- 5
Davis- 6
Hart- 7

2014
Bromley- 3
A. Williams- 4
Berhe- 5
Kennard- 5
Jackson- 6

2013
Moore- 3
Nassib- 4
C. Taylor- 5
Herman- 7
Cox- 7

2012
Hosley- 3
A. Robinson- 4
Mosley- 4
McCants- 6
Kuhn- 7

2011
Prince- 1
Austin- 2
Jernigan- 3
Brewer- 4
G. Jones- 6
Sash- 6
J. Williams- 6
Scott- 7

2010
No #3
Dillard- 4
Petrus- 5
A. Tracy- 6
Dodge- 7