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Quote from: T200 on Today at 08:11:33 AMOnly stat that concerns me is the W-L record.

Odds are that we either are horrible or we do just enough to have ppl clamoring for Jones yr 7. Anything less than 4,000 and 20tds as a threshold and we need to rip the band aid off and move on for everyone's sanity.

The thing with Lock is that he isn't scared to throw the ball down the field. If Jones comes in with his dink and dunk approach yet again while Lock is throwing deep in camp then there might be traction from everyone for him to get the nod.

Tied for last or tied for first. Everyone's record is 0-0.

First I was intrigued by this story Matt Waldman told about Lock

Quote"I remember evaluating him [Lock] and saying he looked like a kid who's very talented who at some point in his during his high school career and college career he was probably told by outside quarterback coaches, by coaches in his program things that he could work on to become the best quarterback he could be and get more ready for the NFL. When he came to the league Payton Manning called him up and said anything I can do for you, you let me know. It's easy for me to say as a 54-year-old man in hindsight what I would have liked to have done if I were able to be in Drew Lock's situation at that point because I probably would have said with the wisdom I have now, which is unfair to Drew, but would have been 'can I live in your garage, do chores for you, whatever I need to do and basically spend as much time as possible reviewing film with you and having you reviewing my game and you showing me what conceptually I need to get better at and work and how to work at my craft technically and conceptually to get better.' But from what I was told is that he said thanks and didn't call him back.

"Then, three years later when Teddy Bridgewater was brought to town to compete for his job with him that's when he called Payton Manning."

As it turned out, Lock's father confirmed the accuracy of Waldman's initial collegiate scouting report on Lock.

"His dad told a sideline reporter, I love my son he's a great kid he's a good guy but we've been telling him for years here are little details you need to work on, here are things that you need to get better at when you get to the NFL this is going to be different and he just smiled and nodded, but he didn't work at those things and it's kind of catching up to him. You can see in Seattle when he had some nice games, you kind of get the impression that it's kind of clicked in his head that, oh yeah maybe this is how I need to work. Doesn't make him a bad kid, doesn't make him a bad player, it just means that he had to get better at his job and maybe didn't know how, and maybe it didn't register what was being told to him because it's easy for people to tell you the NFL is a lot tougher.

"I share that because the important point of this is that a lot of players go through this and the NFL doesn't support that well because they force players in immediately."

I went back and studied Lock's scouting reports coming out of college.  He has a strong arm and excelled at the deep ball (his shorter throws less so).  He was compared to Matt Stafford.  Lock has arm talent, but his mechanics are inconsistent, and he has some questionable.

I studied his stats (not particularly impressive).  I read up on his days with the Broncos.  Most faulted Lock as well as the Broncos (for failing to support him or playing to his strengths).

I looked at Lock's stats in Seattle (admittedly a bit of a limited data set with 2 full games and two part games) and compared that to Geno Smith-  Lock's stats were lower than Smith's)

Daboll has a reputation of a reputation for being a bit of a QB whisperer.   Combine that with Lock seeming to understand what it takes to be an NFL QB (he should as he turns 28 in November) there is a chance he could reach the ceiling (a good starter) with the Giants.   A lot will hinge on Lock and his ability to improve his mechanics and decision-making (his TD-to-INT ratio is less than ideal).

I think if Lock is pressed into starter duty there is maybe a 10% chance he could be the next Geno Smith or Goff who finds his groove with a team other than the one that drafted him.

If you are interested in learning more about him, here's a good breakdown by Nick Falato





Link to the Waldman quote

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/5/24121878/nfl-draft-matt-waldman-on-the-2024-qb-class-the-development-fallacy-and-much-more#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20remember%20evaluating%20him%20%5BLock,he%20could%20be%20and%20get

Very kind Mighty. Just a comfort area as a Finance guy. The rules are not that complex when you take the trouble to work through them.

Schoen seems to have an instinctively relatively cautious approach to cap management though he had to do one or two things he wanted to avoid early on cleaning up the inherited mess. As an example his shying clear of void years for the most part and his use of incentives and roster bonuses provides a bit of a hedge against injury and underperformance.

If we did have a bounce back this season with key players like DJ staying fit and over-performing incentives the positive adjustment we have this year might become become a negative number next year as the difference between incentives earned in season & those treated as 'likely' (so included in this year's cap) counts on the next year's cap.

I have just assumed OTC have got their adjustment calculations correct rather than trying to work through contract by contract but an adjustment in our favour this year makes sense given under-performance/injuries. Any errors they make tend to be minor so it should be fine.

Quote from: y_so_blu on April 30, 2024, 04:01:03 AMThe least excited I've been since I started following the team in 2020. No more Saquon (the real face of our franchise), no more Xavier, still no real quarterback or apparent plans to get one. Hello to another year of ranking 30-something on offense and the defense having to do most of the work. That's definitely a "meh."

I think the "meh" season for the ages was 1996 with a lame duck head coach, an even more broken quarterback and a former super-star running back run down to the steel walls of his tires, and hardly a WR to throw to.

Peace!

Quote from: katkavage on April 29, 2024, 04:39:25 PMThe schedule folks. Don't forget the schedule. In 2022 the schedule was easy. They played the AFC South. Last year they had to play the NFC West. Lost 3 out of four. This year they play the AFC North and NFC South. NFC South can go either way. Carolina is the only team as of now they would be favored against. In their division, they need to prove finally that they can beat Dallas, until they do, they are underdogs. Philly...we shall see which team shows up. Washington will be better. Don't count on the two easy wins. So go through the schedule. Of course there are injuries to other teams that change the dynamic. But right now, on paper, I don't see more than 7 wins. That's being generous.

+1

I continue to ask the age-old question:

What have the Giants done to close the gap between them and their division rivals (i.e. Dallas and Philly)? The rest of the schedule is a crapshoot after that.

0-41 and 17-49 are the two tangible results from last year which stick out like a sore thumb. What have the Giants done so far that makes them better than that?

In case you forgot, check last year's season's results. Better yet, burn last season's record book! But there MUST be tangible results demonstrating improvement. Until then, my vote is ...

I'll believe it when I see it!

Peace!

I've never listened to Amani Toomer in the past, but I found his take incredibly interesting. Really smart guy. Probably the best and most honest post draft review, but much, much more