This is just pathetic

[ozzie]

Schoen needs to get this thing on track. How can you have a Top 10 draft pick 6 out of 10 years and be this bad?
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/02/new-york-giants-are-nfc-worst-team-of-past-decade/

[TDToomer]

Schoen needs to get this thing on track. How can you have a Top 10 draft pick 6 out of 10 years and be this bad?
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/02/new-york-giants-are-nfc-worst-team-of-past-decade/

Schoen is only responsible for 2 drafts. The blame for this futility goes to his 2 predecessors.

[ozzie]

Yes. What came before him is certainly not his fault, I just hope he can straighten it out and get the Giants back on the winning path.

[MightyGiants]

Schoen is only responsible for 2 drafts. The blame for this futility goes to his 2 predecessors.

Thomas and Dex (his two biggest stars) were inherited

[DaveBrown74]

Thomas and Dex (his two biggest stars) were inherited

Completely true, and while I think Schoen has made some genuine mistakes, I do however think it is too early to conclusively judge him unfavorably.

I realize you didn't do that, of course. Just stating my personal opinion as it applies to the broad topic.

[Doc16LT56]

Thomas and Dex (his two biggest stars) were inherited

Good point. Schoen has to show that he can move the needle. It's year 3 and the clock is ticking.

[Painter]

No so fast, my friends or, perhaps, I should just say, Whoa Nelly!

How long did it take Thomas and Dex to prove their worth? If they are your basis for comparison, you might have to eventually consider also comparing bust lists between Schoen and his more recent predecessors.

Moreover, what he inherited could well be described as an economic liability and talent deficiency. Yet the Giants had only its 2nd winning season in more than a decade and even after last season's ill-prepared, injury-marred start, they still managed to have a better 2-year Winning Pct. of .457 than the .345 they averaged over the previous 9 seasons.

Cheers!

[ralphpal1]

One off schoen draft was a covid year
Very hard to judge
So last year to me was year one
 give him a few more years
We cant keep.letting go of GMs
I hope not

[Jolly Blue Giant]

Way too early to judge Schoen's draft picks. The team he took over was filled with holes and the bench was almost non-existent. Some of the players that don't become starters become valuable in backup roles. Having depth is as important as having great starters. Give it another couple of years and then take him to the woodshed if that's what some want. Personally, I think he's the best to happen to the Giants in years and I support him 100%

From day one, when he was hired, we all knew the rebuild was a three-year process just to put a competitive team on the field. An unexpected first year success gave rise to false expectations that weren't realistic. Then we got a tough schedule the second year and a slew of injuries, and reality set in. Doesn't mean we should start a whole new rebuild. The worst issue he's had to deal with is the bad chemistry between a coach or two that couldn't deal with the high-strung HC. It will pass and Schoen will deal with it. Have a little faith

[DaveBrown74]

The nice thing for GMs is that if they draft a player who looks like a stud as a rookie, they get bouquets thrown at them and are heralded as scouting geniuses. If on the other hand they pick a player who is still struggling after two full seasons in the NFL, it's still "way too early to judge."

[Hadron]

Thibs and Banks are looking like good picks.

Neal? Well, that's a different discussion.

[katkavage]

How this off season is handled will determine much of his fate. Does have the luxury to wait another year to fix the QB situation? I'm not so sure.

[Giant Obsession]

Banks is indeed a gold pick.

Thibs is fools gold.  Ignoring what was so evident on film and stated clearly by many experts was folly.
But he might make a good GM handling salary structure and negotiations.....when it is not his day off.

[Bob In PA]

Looking forward to hearing dissenting opinions on this, which I assume will be numerous.

IMO, in legal terms or not NFL is a monopoly the draft may not be as free and unfettered as it appears.

Especially for QB's but also for star players at other positions, and especially in the 1st round, there are occasional behind-the-curtain deals in which (for example) an owner might agree with another to refrain from drafting a certain player so he can fall to another team (usually to put that player either closer to his home town or to the college crowd for which he performed).

It's not against the rules. Money talks, and IMO spreading star players (especially QBs) around as evenly as possible among all 32 teams is IMO simply one manifestation of Pete Rozell's goal of attaining parity.

In every draft there are inexplicable picks, especially in the 1st round. I would examine every one of them through the "lens" of the point I'm making here. Anyone disagree?

Bob

[katkavage]

Looking forward to hearing dissenting opinions on this, which I assume will be numerous.

IMO, in legal terms or not NFL is a monopoly the draft may not be as free and unfettered as it appears.

Especially for QB's but also for star players at other positions, and especially in the 1st round, there are occasional behind-the-curtain deals in which (for example) an owner might agree with another to refrain from drafting a certain player so he can fall to another team (usually to put that player either closer to his home town or to the college crowd for which he performed).

It's not against the rules. Money talks, and IMO spreading star players (especially QBs) around as evenly as possible among all 32 teams is IMO simply one manifestation of Pete Rozell's goal of attaining parity.

In every draft there are inexplicable picks, especially in the 1st round. I would examine every one of them through the "lens" of the point I'm making here. Anyone disagree?

Bob

It's been done before. There might be an agent who would want to dissuade a team from drafting a player. Or a family member (Manning) who wants his son on a particular team. Things do happen.