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Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:28:11 AMIt's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

So you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 19, 2022, 10:44:50 AMSo you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Can we please stop? You feel he managed the game and got a 'W', others feel differently. Move on.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 19, 2022, 10:44:50 AMSo you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Did I say he played amazing? If so please point that out. If not, please do not put words in my mouth and make stuff up. I appreciate it.

Jones QBR this week - 74. Which was 4th best in the league.

Now, I am not a fan of QBR whatsoever, but many have used advanced stats to advocate players at other positions. So if we are consistent with that notion, Jones was one of the better QBs this week.

Just going from the early Sunday games which I still contend all the QBs were better --and I don't use QBR -- since all I need is 2 eyes , an objective attitude , and not to mention yards and TDs

Texans / Chiefs
Davis Mills QBR 95.9 ; 2 TDs incidentally
Mahomes QBR 125.7 336 yards; 2 TDs

Steelers / Panthers
Darnold QBR 119.4 225 yards 1 TD
Trubisky 108.9 QBR 179 yards

Jets/Lions
Zak Wilson QBR 99.9 317 yards 2 TDs 1 int
Jared Goff QBR 95 252 yards 1 TD

People use advanced stats for other positions because it is the only way to counter the false narrative that Jones is this good QB who is being held back to his receivers or oline play.





 

Quote from: Fletch on December 19, 2022, 11:29:41 AMJust going from the early Sunday games which I still contend all the QBs were better --and I don't use QBR -- since all I need is 2 eyes , an objective attitude , and not to mention yards and TDs

Texans / Chiefs
Davis Mills QBR 95.9 ; 2 TDs incidentally
Mahomes QBR 125.7 336 yards; 2 TDs

Steelers / Panthers
Darnold QBR 119.4 225 yards 1 TD
Trubisky 108.9 QBR 179 yards

Jets/Lions
Zak Wilson QBR 99.9 317 yards 2 TDs 1 int
Jared Goff QBR 95 252 yards 1 TD

People use advanced stats for other positions because it is the only way to counter the false narrative that Jones is this good QB who is being held back to his receivers or oline play.

 

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 11:08:58 AMJones QBR this week - 74. Which was 4th best in the league.

Now, I am not a fan of QBR whatsoever, but many have used advanced stats to advocate players at other positions. So if we are consistent with that notion, Jones was one of the better QBs this week.

TBF and I am not saying you but it has been those who have advocated for Daniel Jones that have used the advanced stats rather than the detractors.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 11:39:07 AMTBF and I am not saying you but it has been those who have advocated for Daniel Jones that have used the advanced stats rather than the detractors.

I get it. Like I said, I am not a fan of that or PFF or DVOA, or any other because it usually has flaws that dont tell the whole story. All are tools.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:30:17 AMThey won. With Jones as QB and without a stacked team.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Some of you would be complaining after a SB win.     

Ummm, 2011.  Ed and I were nearly run off the board for being optimistic through that playoff run.  In fairness, it was different folks back then doing the running.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 19, 2022, 12:03:11 PMUmmm, 2011.  Ed and I were nearly run off the board for being optimistic through that playoff run.  In fairness, it was different folks back then doing the running.

No gloating, there Rich. 

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:59:47 AMHe did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

And yet 94%, 91 out of 97 yards, of the yards on their best drive of the year were through the air.  And the second longest drive of the season happened with Barkley in the blue tent and not on the field. 

And that 'great' defense is 26th in yards allowed and 14th in points allowed.  The latter stat, which is the that really counts in my eyes is good, but I wouldn't call it great.

But to be fair, Barkley was literally a whirling dervish on that final drive.  After those 3 whirling runs I was yelling at the TV, "you've got them set up, go play action!!!"

So it looks like NFL.com is using either QBR to be Rating and not actual QBR or just a mistake in general. But whatever ... that just goes to show that no one really cares
Here is an example from the Texans game:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Kansas+City+Chiefs+vs+Houston+Texans+Sunday%2c+December+18%2c+2022&FORM=S00035

It was a lot more fun around here without some xxxx who is trying to prove he's right all the time

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 09:23:59 AMThe reason to move on IMO will be impacted by whether the front office has identified a QB in next spring's draft they want to target.

I think it will be governed by what they decide their limit is and what another team will offer.  They have too many holes to fill, and extensions for some of their player to negotiate, to blow too much of the budget on him.  Or Barkley.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 19, 2022, 12:18:01 PMAnd yet 94%, 91 out of 97 yards, of the yards on their best drive of the year were through the air.  And the second longest drive of the season happened with Barkley in the blue tent and not on the field. 

And that 'great' defense is 26th in yards allowed and 14th in points allowed.  The latter stat, which is the that really counts in my eyes is good, but I wouldn't call it great.

But to be fair, Barkley was literally a whirling dervish on that final drive.  After those 3 whirling runs I was yelling at the TV, "you've got them set up, go play action!!!"

And yet the Giants still have the 5th least productive passing game in the League.