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Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 11, 2024, 12:38:08 PMEd both your drafts contain an EDGE and DL, to me both are desperately needed moving forward. And depending on what happens with Xavier McKinney, Safety could turn into a great need

He's a priority signing since Adoree will be gone. Can't strip both squads.

I think you have to get the Edge by the second pick because there's a steep drop-off after that. But I'll defer to Ceri on that.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 11, 2024, 12:27:03 PMOut of curiosity, what do you not like about Daniels?

He is a 5 year QB with only one very impressive season.  The other seasons were good but not elite

Breaking Down Michigan Quarterback J.J. McCarthy
Greg Gabriel breaks down what he's seen from Michicagan's J.J. McCarthy.

PS-  Greg Gabriel is a former Giants scout and former head of Bears scouting.

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/2/4/24060710/breaking-down-michigan-quarterback-j-j-mccarthy-nfl-draft-quarterback-profile-prospect-projection

QuoteWhen evaluating a QB, we can't downgrade him for the offense he played in. That would be ludicrous. What we do is look at his triats and break them down to see f he has the talent to be a top NFL prospect and there is no question that is what McCarthy is.

If we look at his numbers over the last two seasons, we see that he completed 446 of 654 throws for a 68.5 completion percentage, 44 TDs, and only nine interceptions. His completion percentage was at 72% for the 2023 season.

While completion percentage does not actually mean that a passer is accurate, we have to watch the tape to see that. What we see is a tight ball that has very good ball placement and usually puts the receiver in position to get yards after the catch.

McCarthy has a tight overhand delivery and a very quick release. His arm strength is very good, and he consistently throws a tight ball. He shows that he can go through a full progression and make good decisions. He seldom forces throws, and that is why his interception numbers have been low for the last two seasons. What I like is he can go from one to two to three and back to one before he releases the ball. He sees the field very well. What also stands out is his poise and patience in the pocket. He doesn't get rattled.

McCarthy is just as effective deep as he is with short throws. He is also good at changing his arm angle when needed in order to get a throw off.

During the later part of the college football season, many analysts felt that McCarthy was more than likely a second-round pick. They were off as I feel he doesn't get out of the first round, and because of the offense he played in, he may be more NFL-ready than the QBs that are supposedly ranked higher.

McCarthy is a very smart quarterback who doesn't make many mistakes. Michigan coaches swear that when NFL coaches get McCarthy in an interview room and put him on the board, he is going to blow them away with his intelligence and knowledge of QB play.

QuoteDon't be surprised to see McCarthy get selected in the Top 15 of the Draft.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 11, 2024, 12:19:43 PMI can't help but wonder how much of this recently surging Giants fan love-fest with McCarthy is driven by the fact that the consensus top three QBs in the class will almost certainly be gone when we pick and unavailable through trade. Would we have a 12 page thread about this guy if we were picking 2nd overall? I tend to highly doubt it.

By the way, I'm not saying McCarthy won't be good. He may be good or even great. But I think a lot of Giants fans are kind of subconsciously talking themselves into falling in love with him. If we were picking in the top 2 or top 3 I don't think this would have happened. Just my two cents.

I had Mccarthy in my top 3 way back at the beginning of the year. As Caleb and Maye dipped, Mccarthy and Daniels rose imo.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 11, 2024, 12:19:43 PMI can't help but wonder how much of this recently surging Giants fan love-fest with McCarthy is driven by the fact that the consensus top three QBs in the class will almost certainly be gone when we pick and unavailable through trade. Would we have a 12 page thread about this guy if we were picking 2nd overall? I tend to highly doubt it.

By the way, I'm not saying McCarthy won't be good. He may be good or even great. But I think a lot of Giants fans are kind of subconsciously talking themselves into falling in love with him. If we were picking in the top 2 or top 3 I don't think this would have happened. Just my two cents.

One other thing, this thread started at a question.  I hadn't dug much into McCarthy because it wasn't certain he would declare.  I had heard some good things from former GM Randy Mueller, but this thread was my effort to look deeper into the prospect.  The more I found the more I like him

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2024, 12:57:07 PMBreaking Down Michigan Quarterback J.J. McCarthy
Greg Gabriel breaks down what he's seen from Michicagan's J.J. McCarthy.

PS-  Greg Gabriel is a former Giants scout and former head of Bears scouting.

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/2/4/24060710/breaking-down-michigan-quarterback-j-j-mccarthy-nfl-draft-quarterback-profile-prospect-projection

As Yogi said, it's like Deja vu all over again.

https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1114278582380109824?

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2024, 01:37:15 PMAs Yogi said, it's like Deja vu all over again.

https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1114278582380109824?

https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1114301877339004928?

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2024, 01:37:15 PMAs Yogi said, it's like Deja vu all over again.

https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1114278582380109824?

Not sure what Greg's statement about Daniel Jones not falling to 17 has to do with his scouting report (from the vantage point of someone who scouted in the NFL at the highest levels) on JJ McCarthy.

Plus, as Phil Simms said, Daniel Jones has NFL starter talent and ability.  No one could have predicted the injury issues (unless you considered the Giants' history of bad lines

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2024, 01:40:09 PMNot sure what Greg's statement about Daniel Jones not falling to 17 has to do with his scouting report (from the vantage point of someone who scouted in the NFL at the highest levels) on JJ McCarthy.

Plus, as Phil Simms said, Daniel Jones has NFL starter talent and ability.  No one could have predicted the injury issues (unless you considered the Giants' history of bad lines

https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1633217169948278784?

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2024, 01:42:28 PMhttps://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1633217169948278784?

As Phil Simms says, Jones has NFL starter talent and ability.  The neck weakness was not known outside of the Giant's organization.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2024, 01:43:58 PMAs Phil Simms says, Jones has NFL starter talent and ability.  The neck weakness was not known outside of the Giant's organization.

The weakness is from the neck up. As evidenced by the inferior play to his backup and his undrafted FA practice squad backup. It's admirable though how you still support him and deflect his weaknesses. Here's the thing, GG was all in on Jones and now he's touting JJ the same way. He may be right or he may be wrong. 32 teams draft QB's and most all of them are wrong. They go with the selection that they have available or can reach. They and GG will be no surer of picking a winner than I would or a monkey throwing darts at a dartboard. I've studied JJ and at this point, I don't see it. The difference is that I don't overstate my position.

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2024, 12:22:22 PMMy latest Mock.

If not an odd ball, I am at least an "odd-man-out", as I don't see any value in a personal Mock Draft. However, as we all want what's best for the Gmen, I wish you luck with yours, Ed.

At the same time, I too have some strong feelings re the Giants needs and wants both tactically and strategically which I certainly have not kept secret in the course of recent discussion. Thus, I will be most interested in what the Giants are able to achieve in Free Agency first and then 6 weeks later from wherever they happen to be picking at the time.

Cheers!

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2024, 02:25:58 PMThe weakness is from the neck up. As evidenced by the inferior play to his backup and his undrafted FA practice squad backup. It's admirable though how you still support him and deflect his weaknesses. Here's the thing, GG was all in on Jones and now he's touting JJ the same way. He may be right or he may be wrong. 32 teams draft QB's and most all of them are wrong. They go with the selection that they have available or can reach. They and GG will be no surer of picking a winner than I would or a monkey throwing darts at a dartboard. I've studied JJ and at this point, I don't see it. The difference is that I don't overstate my position.

Ed,

I still keep an open mind about Daniel Jones.  That way, I don't have to put down people who know more about football than I do, like Carl Banks or Phil Simms, when they have positive things to say about Jones (I am not accusing you of doing that, but I have seen that done here).

I don't buy that our difference is one of overstating opinions.  I appreciate that my opinions are that of a well-informed and well-educated fan.  I get that, as fans, we all love to second-guess the experts, but I am pretty realistic.  I appreciate that even a well-educated and informed fan's opinions will not be as sound or as valuable as those of people who are paid or were paid for their professional scouting opinions.   

I think it's pretty hyperbolic to suggest that the few of us discussing a QB prospect in a positive manner on a lone thread or that posting the opinions of a former head of scouting about that prospect somehow constitutes overstating our opinions.  Our opinions are our opinions as fans.

Whether or not Jones is the guy, the fact is we are stuck with him for at least one more year, so if we get a bad ass WR and then find a solution at RT....it bodes well for the future of the team, regardless who's under center in 2025