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Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 03, 2024, 03:57:05 PMIs it really a flash of brilliance if Baker Mayfield, Dak and Jameis Winston are also listed?

With his supporting cast it illudes to great ability, if not brilliance.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 06, 2024, 05:38:02 PM"Decent" is good enough to be paying someone $40mm a year?

The question was what it would take for Jones to be kept as the giants QB in 2025. My answer is based on the circumstances. If we win 9 games or more, we would be picking in the 2nd half of the first round; so chances would be that considering Jones' improvement, his cap hit if cut, and lack of better options will result in keeping him.

Sorry.. My answer is O line

Win 60% of the games he starts and have decent QB stats.

For me, I am excited about watching this competition, but I hope it is a real one and the best man will be chosen to lead our team back to glory soon.

Tommy seems to be quite under-rated because of his pre-nfl portfolio. I watched a couple of his games and I really think the kid has some special ability. He has a pretty good arm. He is accurate and throws some catchable balls. His pocket presence is excellent. He can buy time and hit the target running. If no one is open he tries to run or secures the ball for minimal loss. In the Washington game, behind that atrocious line, he was sacked 9 times, but was still able to throw some nice completions and win the game.
On the Jets game, I think, they tied his hands and he still almost won that game! He could have been 4-1, in 5 games with a lousy O line and average targets.

To me, last year's debacle was 90% due to the O line failures

Not having the defensive backfield as a concern, I did not check out any of those prospects; so I was surprised and disappointed that the 2nd and third picks were devoted to the secondary.

We got burned last year for not being prepared to replace Neal. I hope what they did in FA market is enough; more importantly, they are not going by HOPE either. If the line is functional and reliable, then from what I have gathered so far, this can be considered as a solid draft.

I really think JJ will have the best career. I base that not just on his experience and stats, but his leadership, winning percentage and his confidence, all point to it.

I didn't see much from Gore, but I think Rice and McCaffrey both will make it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 28, 2024, 12:05:56 PMI often think fans somewhat overrate the importance of coaching (relative to the importance of the actual talent level on the roster), but with O line in particular I think coaching matters quite a bit. I don't know exactly how good Carmen Bricillo is or will be, but I am extremely confident that he is at least somewhat of an upgrade over Woody Johnson, and I am cautiously optimistic that he may be a very large upgrade over Woody Johnson. I'm eager to see what impact he is able to have.

Neal was a total disaster for us at RT last year as well as in his rookie year. That was a major source of the trouble (albeit far from the only one). Elumenor played at a respectable level last year at RT for Vegas, for Bricilo. I don't know if they're planning on giving Neal another shot at RT and using Elumenor as a guard, but either way I think it's safe to say that we'll have much better RT play this year. Either Neal suddenly gets much better, or Elumenor takes over. Either way, that side of the line will be a lot better than the last couple of years, where we were counting on Neal and Glowinski whereas now we have Runyan and either a much improved Neal or Elumenor, who is solid.

That alone is big IMO. If Thomas can stay healthy, and JMS can improve from his rookie season (not a huge stretch), this line can be quite decent actually. Runyan is going to be fine, Thomas is an all pro caliber guy when healthy, Elumenor was a 70ish PFF caliber RT under this coach last year, and JMS is a talented player who had a rough rookie year but figures to hopefully improve in year two. Left guard is a bit of a question mark but we have multiple options there, so hopefully the best (or least bad) of all of those options is good enough to not mess up the whole line.

I actually think this will be a league-average line this year.

You make good optimistic points; however, as fans we are hopeful that the product is good and ready. Last year I had this attitude and felt betrayed. My frustration is that most other teams have the ability to turn around their weak O lines fairly quickly; but for the Giants it is a huge puzzle!!

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 27, 2024, 06:28:33 PMOur starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

Do you notice right there why some of us are upset about not addressing the Oline weakness in this draft?
O line is like a chain.. one weak link and it breaks. Neal was a turnstile last year.. they messed up with that high pick... they knew it and still stuck their head in the Staten Island sand and depended on his off season training to have fixed him. We know what happened ( and I lost my $5000+ wager)
, so what about this year?
Who is the solid back up at OC behind Schmitz? Bredeson is not here any longer to come in when / if Schmitz goes down.
To me this is failing at your job.

Doesn't matter much who are the targets if the line can not protect the QB or open holes for the RB.
At best with Nabers, this is an average unit imo.

I voted 2. Didn't go with 1 to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Not addressing the lines was a mistake imo.
If the FA pick ups were good enough to fix the O line and also strengthen the defense against the run up the middle, then this could get a better grade. I don't see it though.
We'll see soon.

I don't know but they went totally opposite of building up the trenches... no Linemen, offense or defense!
Either they are onto something or they are really inept.
The only clear thing is, we should know by the end of this year if these guys are worthy of the job or not.