Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on May 17, 2024, 08:47:54 AMI feel like they've made the wrong decisions on Jones every time they had to make one. It's like the "which hand is it in?" game.

- Exercise his 5th year option? Nope, wrong answer.
- New $160 million contract with $92 guaranteed? Nope, wrong answer.
- He'll show he's worth the deal and can be a next-level QB? Nope, wrong answer.

We keep getting snake bit by the Ghosts of Gettleman.

I appreciate very much what you have presented here, however, here is how I am seeing it.

I agree with you that not exercising his 5th year option was the wrong move.

However, giving him a new contract after the way he played in 2022 was definitely the right move.

The issue that I have was not the contract itself, but to me it was the size of the contract. If they were to have re-signed him in the range of around 30 million a year, then I think that is fair, but 40 million was too much.

As for your last statement, I would say it is yet to be determined, but this year we will all get our answer.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say that we are so thankful that you will be okay.

I'm so sorry for the pain that you are in, and that this even happened to you. Just know that we are all here for you, and if you need to reach out to any one of us, please feel free to do so.

Also, I will say a prayer for you as well, and please hang in there and keep us posted.

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 04:09:47 PMWell it is in poor taste to make a completely false statement on a message board where we are continually dissecting words and thoughts and then when called out, the answer is it was simply hyperbole. Had it been stated as such in the beginning (or simply admit a mistake was made) we could have avoided a lot of negative back and forth

May I ask who made the false statement?

Here is the quote

"I think the term "we are not a qb away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Are you ready to apologize?

or double down?

choose

I'll wait

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 10:25:22 AMYou're claiming the absence of a statement must mean it's true!? If I proclaim Evan Neal is a terrible RT, does that automatically equate to him being the sole reason for the Giants failures?

Also, where does it say in those statements that DJ won't become an AP by the time he's 35?  I mean, if the absence of a statement is evidence of intent, we can make anything up...

Is it really the absence of a statement? or maybe all I had to do was research the point, which I would encourage you to do.

Here is your quote

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

or do you want to double down on your position?

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 10:22:17 AMThank you. Case closed.

Is the case really closed? or maybe you haven't actually researched the point?

Here is your quote:

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

Or do you want to keep up your position?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 15, 2024, 10:20:25 AMYou can't support your actual point, so instead you demand someone prove a negative?

Let's break this down quickly: you asserted people on the board are pinning it all on Jones based on a quote which didn't actually support that prospect, got that pointed out, continued to provide some random quotes which similarly didn't support your point. But instead of conceding, you double-down by requesting that others prove that people didn't assert your point?

Sorry, but that's not how it works. Either you can back up what you assert or you can't. Pretty clear where we've landed on that right now.

It saddens me when you make a claim, then do absolutely no research on the point and then double down on your position like you actually know.

However, It actually works in my favor because it exposes your faulty line of reasoning.

Here are the quotes that back up exactly what I have said, are you ready?

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

or do you want to keep it up?

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 12:19:36 AMCan you please point out where any of that it says "it is ALL on Jones"??

If not, please don't put words in people's mouths. There is not a fan on this forum who believes everything is Jones fault.

Can you please show me in the quotes where it doesn't say that he isn't?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 14, 2024, 04:15:42 PMA comment that Jones "stinks" does not equate to putting all the blame on him for the Giants' shortcomings.

Here are some more quotes for you:

"Just pathetic. If they think I am paying money to watch this, they have another thing coming. No idea why they are trying so bad to make fetch happen with Jones. The guy clearly sucks."

"Also don't mind the banter. Some people just don't like to be wrong that is all. Jones stinks."

"Not to mention Zak Wilson was a back-up last year, and he is a better QB than Jones; so is Darnold for that matter."

"Whereas here, the emperor is not wearing any clothes and mara loves Daniel Jones, so we have to endure yet another year of excuses for Daniel Jones."

"It is like I am in the twilight zone when it comes to Giants fans and Daniel Jones. I cannot think of one player in my sports watching lifetime -- IN ANY SPORT-- where there was such a dedication to a player who so clearly sucks."

Quote from: Trench on May 14, 2024, 01:34:37 PMThis is factually incorrect. Not ONE PERSON has PUT "ALL the blame" on his shoulders!....not ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS DONE THAT. Ever.

Hi,

You may not be aware of this, but here is a direct quote from a poster just a few months ago, and this is what he said about DJ.

"Well what do you want me to call them? Never in all my life do I remember a fanbase of any NY sports franchise; Football, baseball; hockey ; and Basketball so devoted to a player who so obviously just stinks! Can you name one? ... I can't."

There are many more comments like this, but I think you get the point.

I also remember something Tom Coughlin said when certain players were complaining about the fans booing.

Coughlin said "Then don't give them a chance to boo."

If you play well the boos will disappear, it's that simple.

Everyone here has a different opinion regarding DJ.

And in the end it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the only thing that matters is how he and the Giants play during the regular season.

If he plays well and the Giants start winning again, the negative and critical comments will disappear, and he will remain the starting QB.

If he plays poorly, and the team continues to lose, then he will be released and a new QB will be brought in.

We will just have to see how this transpires.

I personally think maybe this topic should be pinned and held up for the entire year so that everyone can see that CBS sports had Daniel Jones ranked as the 32nd worst QB in the entire NFL.

And

Then after the 2024 season is completed everyone will see where Daniel Jones truly ranked, and if CBS sports should ever be taken seriously again, or if they were truly right on the money?

Only time will tell.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 08, 2024, 04:49:45 PMSome around here have argued he was top-10 in 2022, largely based on his QBR that season (he was 6th and largely so due to running contribution). But to me, 2022 would not be good enough in 2024 because it would be a "top-10" season by efficiency. Again, my point was that it hinges somewhat on the "top-10" season we're talking about. If 2024 is like 2022, that "top-10" performance doesn't do the trick.

Hi,

May I ask a hypothetical question.

Let's say he puts up similar numbers to his 2022 season, and the Giants make the NFC conference finals but lose that game.

Do they bring DJ back the following year?

Curious your thoughts?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

Hi Dave,

This is not to challenge you in any way, but I do remember there were quite a few posters saying that the Giants could actually be a better team in 2023, but their record may actually be worse.

The reason why they were saying that was because the first six games of the season were absolutely brutal, and they were.

The schedule didn't begin to soften until week seven.

By the way this doesn't justify the poor record that they had, or the year, so please carry on.

For those who are advocating for Drew Lock, and making the case that he is a better QB than Daniel Jones, I would kindly ask you to look at both players entire career stats and not just a few games.

Both players were drafted in 2019.

Here are Drew Locks career stats.

59.7% 5283 Yards 28 TD 23 Int 79.3 RTG

Now here are Daniel Jones career stats, including rushing totals.

64.3% 14,426 Yards 75 TD 40 Int 85.2 RTG

As you can see it's not even close, Daniel Jones is the superior QB.

No one can force any of you to change your mind, but you may just want to reconsider your position.

Daniel Jones will be the day one starter, while Drew Lock will be sitting on the bench.

Take care.