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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 05:47:40 PMhttps://twitter.com/rydunleavy/status/1617267517579489281

I'm not sure why this is a big deal, "out of character", or newsworthy in any way. I don't know of any promising young professional in any field who does not have at least a basic understanding of what the future compensation profile in his field looks like. Do people really expect Jones to live under a rock and have zero interest in his financial future?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 22, 2023, 05:56:50 PMI'm not sure why this is a big deal, "out of character", or newsworthy in any way. I don't know of any promising young professional in any field who does not have at least a basic understanding of what the future compensation profile in his field looks like. Do people really expect Jones to live under a rock and have zero interest in his financial future?

Even if some want to call him a great QB (I say he may be a bit above average), he is NOT a "top QB", so at the same time I don't think what they make is very relevant.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 05:47:40 PMhttps://twitter.com/rydunleavy/status/1617267517579489281

Is every random Tweet newsworthy? Why should we care what this clown thinks? This is why I am not on Twitter. It turns amateurs into wannabe beat writers.

Per BigBlueView:

Jones said he "didn't think there was much truth" to recent reports that he and the Giants were close to an extension that would keep him with the Giants. He would only say that he has had "positive" conversations with GM Joe Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll.

Jones did admit "I've got a good sense" of what top quarterbacks around the league are making.

Just finished watching the Bengals vs Bills game.

By the way great game by Burrow, and I can now see the difference between DJ and him.

Burrow usually gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds, he takes what the defense gives him.

He is a pocket passer and can win from the pocket. He's quite cerebral and spreads the ball around, I really like his game.

Difference yesterday with DJ is that after his first read is taken away, he was just standing there holding the ball too long and allowing the Eagles to pressure and sack him.

This is what he can learn from Burrow, is that after your first read is taken away, just dump it off to your RB and let him get you 5-10 yards on a simple swing pass.

Yesterday DJ was going for too much, he should have just taken what the defense was giving him.

Take those little 5-yard outs and dump offs and milk the clock, spread the ball around, while eating up the clock.

We will have to see if he can make that next jump into the top tier QB's or not? We will have to see how this transpires, especially against the top defenses in the league.

This is what he needs to work on next year if he wants to make the jump to becoming an elite QB. He still needs to learn how to spread the ball around and to get rid of the football quickly while winning from the pocket.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 22, 2023, 08:53:11 PMPer BigBlueView:

Jones said he "didn't think there was much truth" to recent reports that he and the Giants were close to an extension that would keep him with the Giants. He would only say that he has had "positive" conversations with GM Joe Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll.

Jones did admit "I've got a good sense" of what top quarterbacks around the league are making.

I can't say I am shocked.  Boomer wasn't known for his insider information.

I have been playing around with a possible contract for DJ.

I think that it will likely be a 5-year deal $200 million with $90 million guaranteed.   This is very rough, and I can see give or take on my numbers.  DJ's $40 million per season would put him at the same level as Prescott and Stafford (and just behind Carr), but ahead of Cousins and Goff.

The structure would be along these lines:

Year one-  Signing bonus $50 M  Guaranteed salary $15 M  cap hit $25 M

Year two-  Guaranteed salary $25 M   cap hit $35 M

Year three-  Roster bonus $30 M  Salary $20 M Cap hit $40 M

Year four- Salary $25 M  Cap hit $45 M

Year five-  Salary $30 M Cap hit $50 M


The way I structured it, the Giants could walk away after two years and only suffer $30 million in dead cap, but offset by $20 mil in salary, for a net $10 mil cap hit.   I also think cap space will be rising, so there is some backloading of the contract.   Year 5 is another walkway year or a time to do a new contract if the Giants so desire.
 

It wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

This. I just can't see a path to 40 million that makes anyone comfortable.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

Jones played well this season and he did so with a mediocre line, a collection of castoff WRs, and a rookie TE who missed games due to injury.   It doesn't appear the Jones needs more support than other franchise QBs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 08:37:33 AMI have been playing around with a possible contract for DJ.

I think that it will likely be a 5-year deal $200 million with $90 million guaranteed.   This is very rough, and I can see give or take on my numbers.  DJ's $40 million per season would put him at the same level as Prescott and Stafford (and just behind Carr), but ahead of Cousins and Goff.

The structure would be along these lines:

Year one-  Signing bonus $50 M  Guaranteed salary $15 M  cap hit $25 M

Year two-  Guaranteed salary $25 M   cap hit $35 M

Year three-  Roster bonus $30 M  Salary $20 M Cap hit $40 M

Year four- Salary $25 M  Cap hit $45 M

Year five-  Salary $30 M Cap hit $50 M


The way I structured it, the Giants could walk away after two years and only suffer $30 million in dead cap, but offset by $20 mil in salary, for a net $10 mil cap hit.   I also think cap space will be rising, so there is some backloading of the contract.   Year 5 is another walkway year or a time to do a new contract if the Giants so desire.
 

He isn't as good as Goff or Prescott and shouldn't be paid Stafford money either

Hypothetical:

If you could get the 4th overall pick plus some conditional picks for Jones would you trade him?

Because a ton of teams need a QB and someone has to he willing to trade a significant sum, so why wouldn't we do that to propel our rebuild and then have faith in Daboll/Kafka to find a replacement to produce a similar stat line.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 10:21:15 AMJones played well this season and he did so with a mediocre line, a collection of castoff WRs, and a rookie TE who missed games due to injury.   It doesn't appear the Jones needs more support than other franchise QBs.

You're spot on here. However, the village Ed is referring to still needs better 'villagers' as we witnessed Saturday night.

The other franchise QBs have better protection up front and a #1 WR. Jones still needs those.

Quote from: T200 on January 23, 2023, 10:34:41 AMYou're spot on here. However, the village Ed is referring to still needs better 'villagers' as we witnessed Saturday night.

The other franchise QBs have better protection up front and a #1 WR. Jones still needs those.

or we could be like the 49ers and build a proper team from the inside out and have an offensive wizard for A HC then it doesn't matter who your QB is.