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Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 03:31:53 PMAllen took a giant leap when he got Diggs.
Murray's best games were with Hopkins.
Tua is much better with Hill.
Herbert's numbers took a major dip without Allen and Williams.
How's Aaron Rodgers doing without Adams?

Again... works both ways.

Question for you AP that I asked someone else and got the run around.  How do you explain a QB like Kirk Cousins who put up the season he did in 2015 in his first full season in Washington without a 1,000 yard receiver on the squad?

Sure his number have gone up in Minnesota with Diggs and now Jefferson but he was a productive passer even before he had elite weapons.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 04:39:31 PMQuestion for you AP that I asked someone else and got the run around.  How do you explain a QB like Kirk Cousins who put up the season he did in 2015 in his first full season in Washington without a 1,000 yard receiver on the squad?

Sure his number have gone up in Minnesota with Diggs and now Jefferson but he was a productive passer even before he had elite weapons.

An anomaly? I am curious why you didn't cite the year when he had 2 1,000 yard receivers and another with near 900?

Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 04:42:51 PMAn anomaly? I am curious why you didn't cite the year when he had 2 1,000 yard receivers and another with near 900?

I cited his first full season which was 2015 as a reference point for someone who didn't need elite weapons initially to be a highly productive QB.  If Cousins had a 3,000 yard 20 TD 65% completion first full season then I would get your point about picking that season as moving the goal posts.

So in your opinion he's an anomaly.  That's ok I was just curious.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 04:39:31 PMQuestion for you AP that I asked someone else and got the run around.  How do you explain a QB like Kirk Cousins who put up the season he did in 2015 in his first full season in Washington without a 1,000 yard receiver on the squad?

Sure his number have gone up in Minnesota with Diggs and now Jefferson but he was a productive passer even before he had elite weapons.

Cousins had Jordan Reed who was a Pro Bowl TE short of 40 yards for 1K receiving.

DJax was coming off a 1K season previous year and only play 9 games in 2015 but still managed to gain 528 rec yards and 4 TDs.  Garcon and Crowder picked up the slack with 1,381 rec yards and 8 TD combined.  Plus he has Morris who is also a Pro Bowl TE and Trent Williams who is a stud tackle.  Plus McVay calling the plays on offense.

That Washington team had weapons to work with.  You cannot compare with the 2022 Giants.  Let's say it's a wash between Thomas and Williams.  Saquon is better than Morris.  But to compare DJax, Garcon, Crowder and Jordan Reed to Slayton, James, Hodgins, it's not even close.

Plus Cousins had 3 years to learn the system before becoming the full time starter.  You weren't being given the run around but rather refuse to accept the truth with your blind hatred for Jones.  But hey I get it.  Each one of us is entitled to our own opinion right?

I'm responding in this thread because this is about DJ, not Hodgins:

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 04:44:04 PMThe offensive line was always going to be a work in progress this season.  It has improved but there is more work to be done.

Your claim about pass protection being bad is based on the facts that you choose to acknowledge ignoring the facts that don't support your claim.

Which facts would that be?

https://twitter.com/BleavNetwork/status/1607850181013151747

Quote from: GMenRF on December 27, 2022, 05:04:27 PMCousins had Jordan Reed who was a Pro Bowl TE short of 40 yards for 1K receiving.

DJax was coming off a 1K season previous year and only play 9 games in 2015 but still managed to gain 528 rec yards and 4 TDs.  Garcon and Crowder picked up the slack with 1,381 rec yards and 8 TD combined.  Plus he has Morris who is also a Pro Bowl TE and Trent Williams who is a stud tackle.  Plus McVay calling the plays on offense.

That Washington team had weapons to work with.  You cannot compare with the 2022 Giants.  Let's say it's a wash between Thomas and Williams.  Saquon is better than Morris.  But to compare DJax, Garcon, Crowder and Jordan Reed to Slayton, James, Hodgins, it's not even close.

Plus Cousins had 3 years to learn the system before becoming the full time starter.  You weren't being given the run around but rather refuse to accept the truth with your blind hatred for Jones.  But hey I get it.  Each one of us is entitled to our own opinion right?

And I get you blindly love Jones and are part of the it's everyone else's fault that the Giants have one of the least productive passing offenses in football.  But hey I get it you'd rather the illusion that if you get things perfect for Jones he'd be a superstar.  You're entitled to your opinion.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 27, 2022, 05:04:53 PMI'm responding in this thread because this is about DJ, not Hodgins:

Which facts would that be?

The time to throw fact. 

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 05:16:42 PM

Did you actually watch what you posted?   

I don't even get what were arguing .... so D Jones could be a better QB with better stats --in theory anyway-- if he was playing with T Hill or if he had Kelce as his TE?

OK great.So what? And Guess what?  That would hold true for like every starting QB in the NFL and even a lot of the back ups. So what is so special about D Jones then that you would want him on this team on a non rookie deal and playing without a Kelce or T Hill to throw to. If you are being honest the answer is there is nothing. There never was.

Also I love these arguments... like it is so easy to get a stud WR or great TE. "oh just draft one in the first round". Um didn't we do that with Evan Engram? Didn't we do that with K Toney? Didn't we sign several WR1 free agents to big contracts? How did that work out?

It really worked out well for other teams that got to pick these players up and actually get some production out of them . Oh but the have generational talent QBs and Hall of fame QBs throwing to them ? So again what is special about Jones?

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 27, 2022, 05:20:32 PMDid you actually watch what you posted?   

Everyone should spend the 9 minutes and watch it.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 05:10:24 PMAnd I get you blindly love Jones and are part of the it's everyone else's fault that the Giants have one of the least productive passing offenses in football.  But hey I get it you'd rather the illusion that if you get things perfect for Jones he'd be a superstar.  You're entitled to your opinion.

The time to throw fact.

Like I said we're all entitled to our own opinion.  Your arguing that Cousins was productive in spite of that team not having a 1K receiver as if he made the players better around him.

My counter argument is that Redskins team had talent to work with for a QB to be productive who was already pretty familiar with the system in place having 3 years to learn it.  It also helped that his OC was McVay who came to be a super bowl winning coach.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 27, 2022, 05:10:24 PMThe time to throw fact.

Sorry, been debunked.  Time to throw includes the time he spends running for his life.  It's not like that's the time he gets to sit in the pocket surveying the field.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 27, 2022, 05:23:24 PMSorry, been debunked.  Time to throw includes the time he spends running for his life.  It's not like that's the time he gets to sit in the pocket surveying the field.

He does sit in the pocket surveying the field but he's so indecisive and can't see things he ends up taking sacks.