Neal has a Twitter account, and though he rarely tweets — let alone interacts with anyone on there — he sees what people tweet at him.
"People tag me on stuff all the time," he said. "So it's like, yeah, I see it. But I genuinely don't care. Why should I? I'm in the National Football League. The person that's commenting on my performance, what does he do? Flip hot dogs and hamburgers somewhere?"
It's behind a paywall but more here
https://www.nj.com/giants/2023/10/giants-evan-neal-dares-his-critics-to-boo-louder-blasts-fair-weather-fans-as-sheep.html
Haven't read the full article but that's not a good look.
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Evan Neal had a whole lot to say Wednesday.
Among his comments, regarding his critics:
"Why would a lion concern himself with the opinion of a sheep?"
"The person that's commenting on my performance, what does he do? Flip hot dogs and hamburgers somewhere?"
Without fan support, he's on even thinner ice.
It's no excuse, but a lot of these guys have never been booed by their home town fans for a variety of reasons. Probably a completely alien thing to him. Bad he reacted in this way.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 04, 2023, 05:15:46 PMIt's no excuse, but a lot of these guys have never been booed by their home town fans for a variety of reasons. Probably a completely alien thing to him. Bad he reacted in this way.
He doesn't get that these people are the reason he gets paid millions to play football. I'm sure Mara's gonna love this and have something to pass downhill.
These athletes need to get rid of their Social Media Accounts or just use them to promote whatever charity or organizations they're involved in. All they do is end up causing them more trouble.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 04:58:28 PMNeal has a Twitter account, and though he rarely tweets — let alone interacts with anyone on there — he sees what people tweet at him.
"People tag me on stuff all the time," he said. "So it's like, yeah, I see it. But I genuinely don't care. Why should I? I'm in the National Football League. The person that's commenting on my performance, what does he do? Flip hot dogs and hamburgers somewhere?"
It's behind a paywall but more here
https://www.nj.com/giants/2023/10/giants-evan-neal-dares-his-critics-to-boo-louder-blasts-fair-weather-fans-as-sheep.html
What a F-ing idiot. How about you keep your mouth shut and figure out how to play tackle in the NFL without looking like a turnstile. The dude who flips burgers provides the Giants with the revenue to pay your bloated salary. Show him a modicum of respect. If he had any self awareness he'd realize the fans are correct in their judgement of his play thus far. Change it.
Here is a non-paywall
https://x.com/snygiants/status/1709684397702627602?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 04, 2023, 05:27:03 PMHe doesn't get that these people are the reason he gets paid millions to play football. I'm sure Mara's gonna love this and have something to pass downhill.
I think he is likely very frustrated. It's the 1st time in his life he isn't one of the best in the field. This reaction just shows some immaturity.
If you're a professional athlete, going after fans for getting on you for poor performance is one of the dumbest moves you can make. We saw it with some Mets players a couple years back who bitched about getting booed and gave the thumbs down sign to the fans, and it didn't go over well. They were forced to apologize quickly, and one of them was not brought back the next year. We saw Julius Randle on the Knicks do this too, and he took a lot of heat for it.
The difference here though is while it was hardly ok in the above examples, at least all of those players were established good players in their respective sports. Neal has done nothing but utterly suck since arriving. Fans probably could have justifiably booed him last year, but didn't. He is making very good money for a rookie and exhausted a ton of points worth of draft capital, and he has done nothing other than contribute to getting his QB killed and having our offensive drives get blown up.
And I think the content of his comments is deplorable. He's essentially putting down working class people who (1) are the backbone of the zeitgeist of sports in this area and (2) who work their asses off at a tough and often undesirable job so they can support their families and hopefully have some extra money to come see him play and help pay his bloated, undeserved salary. What an absolute a-hole. I don't care if he's never been booed before. These SEC guys are treated like royalty at these big schools and are complete spoiled brats (at best) so much of the time.
I honestly would consider cutting him over this if I were ownership/Schoen. It's not like he's helping anyone on the field with his shitty level of play, nor is he showing any sign of getting better. He will have to turn into the second coming of Anthony Munoz now to ever have a chance of winning back fans here, and it better happen in this next game if he's still a Giant by this Sunday.
As if he was a "Lion".
The guy flipping hamburgers and hot dogs can't do a worse job than he has done, and he is making $15 bucks an hour. PLUS many people probably enjoy those burgers and dogs and don't boo them for doing it well. Sorry we can't say the same thing about the #7 draft pick.
Not good. Could be the beginnng of the end in NY for this kid.
https://www.facebook.com/100044433099533/posts/pfbid0vAEUXNxTVSAHn7okwZrVvnD4DMzjs5svPSQXD5fxunwPmDj8Yg9uNZspfYtxoVrfl/?mibextid=cr9u03
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 05:51:54 PMHere is a non-paywall
https://x.com/snygiants/status/1709684397702627602?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Two things,
A) The mere fact that he is saying he doesn't care what sheep think, is telling me he absolutely does care, that's why he is saying it.
B) As many of you have already stated, the sheep, which consists of millions of Giant fans are paying your salary. All it takes is for the sheep to stop going to your games, and guess what? You won't be making any money, and you'll have to start making cheeseburgers and hot dogs like the rest of us.
So yeah. He needs to apologize to the fans quick and in a hurry. Someone should tell him that he's not a Lion, he's a Giant.
And this is where we'll find out if Daboll is really a coach or just another Judge who talks tough but has no substance. Daboll has to bench Neal this Sunday.
I wouldn't trade him just yet - as you don't want to sell low, but I'd be listening.
Once again, this is on Schoen, Schoen drafted this guy.
Quote from: AYM on October 04, 2023, 08:17:13 PMSo yeah. He needs to apologize to the fans quick and in a hurry. Someone should tell him that he's not a Lion, he's a Giant.
And this is where we'll find out if Daboll is really a coach or just another Judge who talks tough but has no substance. Daboll has to bench Neal this Sunday.
I wouldn't trade him just yet - as you don't want to sell low, but I'd be listening.
Once again, this is on Schoen, Schoen drafted this guy.
Absolutely Neal is a strike against Schoen. No doubt about that. Thibodeaux may be too, although I still have some hope for him. Neal is a lost cause at this point. Big whiff by Schoen, and there is no sugarcoating it.
https://x.com/tmksespn/status/1709676438935216186?s=46 (https://x.com/tmksespn/status/1709676438935216186?s=46)
Ohhhh he made someone really angry...
Careless, irresponsible and immature comments that reflect poorly on him, his coaches and the person who drafted him.
:boooo:
Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 04, 2023, 08:11:44 PMTwo things,
A) The mere fact that he is saying he doesn't care what sheep think, is telling me he absolutely does care, that's why he is saying it.
B) As many of you have already stated, the sheep, which consists of millions of Giant fans are paying your salary. All it takes is for the sheep to stop going to your games, and guess what? You won't be making any money, and you'll have to start making cheeseburgers and hot dogs like the rest of us.
Isn't his contract fully guaranteed or close to it?
Quote from: True Blue on October 04, 2023, 08:31:43 PMIsn't his contract fully guaranteed or close to it?
Yes, but he has no contract beyond 2025, and I think it's safe to say he isn't looking at the 5th year option.
Granted, if you get paid $24.5mm in four years, you're probably never going to need to be flipping burgers unless you're really, really stupid, which in his case is clearly not out of the realm of possibility.
Quote from: AYM on October 04, 2023, 08:17:13 PMSo yeah. He needs to apologize to the fans quick and in a hurry. Someone should tell him that he's not a Lion, he's a Giant.
And this is where we'll find out if Daboll is really a coach or just another Judge who talks tough but has no substance. Daboll has to bench Neal this Sunday.
I wouldn't trade him just yet - as you don't want to sell low, but I'd be listening.
Once again, this is on Schoen, Schoen drafted this guy.
You're right. He should suspend him from the next game.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 04, 2023, 07:22:51 PMMore like a house cat.
I think that could be construed as animal cruelty..certainly an insult to house cats. The Mouse That Roared-Evan Neal. =))
He could apply at the MTA as a human turnstile..or be replaced with a couch on wheels-no waiting.
https://twitter.com/WesSteinberg/status/1709742032489455901
And... fresh off the Pat Hanlon press:
https://twitter.com/ENeal73/status/1709743571274739946
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 05:51:54 PMHere is a non-paywall
https://x.com/snygiants/status/1709684397702627602?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Message to Evan. They may flip burgers but you look like as well given that Mustang going around you or F-150 going through you.
STFU and listen to your coaches and develop for God's sakes.
Is the Stay-Puft Marshmellow Man now contrite? =)) Redfaced :boooo:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 04, 2023, 09:58:15 PMIs the Stay-Puft Marshmellow Man now contrite? =)) Redfaced :boooo:
People do make mistakes. This doesn't make him Aaron Hernandez or Rae Carruth. But it was pretty dumb and not easy to just brush off.
Bottom line, even with the apology, he's going to have a tough time here moving forward unless he suddenly plays literally out of his mind. Which I think we all know is clearly not going to happen.
I just took it as him saying he doesn't listen to internet trolls. Think out of context it got blown out of proportion.
Every time he gives up a sack or a penalty at home, he's going to get booed.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 04, 2023, 10:31:58 PMI just took it as him saying he doesn't listen to internet trolls. Think out of context it got blown out of proportion.
There's no out of context when it comes to the flipping burgers comment.
I still say he needs to be benched. If not the whole game, at least a quarter. I doubt it will happen after the Giants threw this PR out there for him, though.
Bench him. He's a bum and just proved it. How dare he!
He apologized. Mara probably flipped out.
Quote from: nicky1000 on October 05, 2023, 12:56:02 AMHe apologized. Mara probably flipped out.
I don't know if there is any way of coming back from it for him.
Quote from: madbadger on October 05, 2023, 01:15:23 AMI don't know if there is any way of coming back from it for him.
Fans will eventually get over it if he plays well. But what are the odds of that?
If he continues to suck, which at this point is the base case, they will be increasingly ruthless.
Here is a good Don LeGreca meltdown about this incident. He starts talking about the actual quote at approximately the 4 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3DR37CmVlY
https://x.com/eneal73/status/1709743571274739946?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I'm okay with Neil and what he said. It's his right, fans can say whatever they want. So Neil can too that is his right we have a thing called freedom of speech. You don't think this guy knows his play has been unexceptional. Everyone is frustrated including the players, it's their livelihood on the line. I'm a believer the media in NY makes it harder to play anything in NY. They love negativity and rants get far more hits than good times. I don't want Neil to apologize I want him to stick to his stance and not withdraw from it. Go out on the field and focus on his craft. Don't give the media any material because they live to tear people down. That reporter could have easily said this a young kid, if I post this it may ruin him and his career in NY.
I'm not going to blame Neil. He is a young kid, people need to stop the BS. Especially these Media guys who just want to sensationalize everything to the point of cancellation of the person.
Quote from: Giantleap56 on October 05, 2023, 08:43:32 AMI'm not going to blame Neil. He is a young kid, people need to stop the BS.
Not going to blame him for what he decided to say? He's a fully grown man. He knows what he said.
Nobody here thinks he doesn't have a right to say what he wants. But I think people can judge him for it with justification.
Is it the end of the world? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes. But for a guy who has been as bad as he has and who is making the money he is making despite being terrible on the field to choose to belittle blue collar fans who are paying his salary is in pretty poor taste and pretty poor judgment. And I personally feel he can be blamed for it. Who else is to blame? Was Toney also not to be blamed for his negative comments towards fans? His weren't nearly as bad, and how long did he last?
The only way this passes is if Neal makes the jump Thomas made in his 2nd year. He certainly isn't on that trajectory right now.
It's not a good look and he will learn from this. Screaming "trade him" is short sighted and not the best course. We would be selling very low for one. The alternatives on the roster are worse.
I really like License Plate guy. I wonder if he lurks here.
He's a 24/25 year old kid. Who hasn't made mistakes at that age. He's frustrated and probably experiencing failure at football for the first time in his life. I think some fans need to get a life with this unreal overreaction. IMHO the radio guy is a POS.
Quote from: FL GMAN on October 05, 2023, 09:54:35 AMHe's a 24/25 year old kid. Who hasn't made mistakes at that age. He's frustrated and probably experiencing failure at football for the first time in his life. I think some fans need to get a life with this unreal overreaction. IMHO the radio guy is a POS.
24 years old is not a kid by any stretch. He's a grown ass man who absolutely should know better.
Degrading someone because of the job they do shows a HUGE lack of character. And speaking in those terms about the people who, in essence, pay his salary makes it even worse. And making those comments when he is playing TERRIBLY is the icing on this turd sandwich.
Agree that he should be benched, for his comments and his terrible play. Plug Ez in at RT and see what he can do.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 05, 2023, 09:49:14 AMIt's not a good look and he will learn from this. Screaming "trade him" is short sighted and not the best course. We would be selling very low for one. The alternatives on the roster are worse.
I really like License Plate guy. I wonder if he lurks here.
Agreed. Everyone makes mistakes especially in a situation like this. As long as this is a one time thing it's not a big deal. I am more concerned about his overall play than this.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 05, 2023, 10:00:10 AM24 years old is not a kid by any stretch. He's a grown ass man who absolutely should know better.
I so agree that he is not a kid. 24-25 year olds are 2-3 years into their post college professional careers. Some are married, parents or ready for kids (especially back in the day, less so now). In other sports like NBA and NHL 24 year olds are considered veterans!
I like it
He has some sass in him
now he will have to show it on the field
BTW he was not that bad Monday...if he can get his game together all this will be forgotten
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 05, 2023, 08:54:07 AMNot going to blame him for what he decided to say? He's a fully grown man. He knows what he said.
Nobody here thinks he doesn't have a right to say what he wants. But I think people can judge him for it with justification.
Is it the end of the world? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes. But for a guy who has been as bad as he has and who is making the money he is making despite being terrible on the field to choose to belittle blue collar fans who are paying his salary is in pretty poor taste and pretty poor judgment. And I personally feel he can be blamed for it. Who else is to blame? Was Toney also not to be blamed for his negative comments towards fans? His weren't nearly as bad, and how long did he last?
I don't buy that how many here have had a mic in their face after a frustrating night? The crap that would come out of most of the people mouths here would keep women and children away. People act as though they got answers, have people not learned what they have been taught in Church at the temples. He said something out of frustration we should be understanding and have Forgiveness in our heart.
To me Neil isn't the bad guy it's the reporter that's the bad guy. Something need not be reported. He used Neil's frustration to create an angle to get a story out and that to a story that was going to throw Neil under the bus for his gains.
Quote from: Giantleap56 on October 05, 2023, 01:12:04 PMI don't buy that how many here have had a mic in their face after a frustrating night? The crap that would come out of most of the people mouths here would keep women and children away. People act as though they got answers, have people not learned what they have been taught in Church at the temples. He said something out of frustration we should be understanding and have Forgiveness in our heart.
To me Neil isn't the bad guy it's the reporter that's the bad guy. Something need not be reported. He used Neil's frustration to create an angle to get a story out and that to a story that was going to throw Neil under the bus for his gains.
That's not the way of the world. If he doesn't apologize, he's going to be a magnet for the Meadowlands Boo Birds. These men are coached extensively in how to handle the media and what to say and not say to the press and in public. Myself, I would never boo a player or my team but what he said was an attack on Everyman. It was stupid, it was wrong and he's gonna regret it. If Schoen had any slack in his rope as a high first-round pick, it just got shorter because the fans will be behind any move he makes.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 05, 2023, 06:25:55 AMFans will eventually get over it if he plays well. But what are the odds of that?
If he continues to suck, which at this point is the base case, they will be increasingly ruthless.
Here is a good Don LeGreca meltdown about this incident. He starts talking about the actual quote at approximately the 4 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3DR37CmVlY
Yes but I just don't see it. Some guys are cut out to play in NY. Thomas never once mouthed off to the fans that wanted his head. Instead he worked until he was a pro bowl caliber player. Neal, IMHO, has rabbit ears and no high profile player can survive in NY if they can't ignore the fans or the media. It sucks.
Anyone here who has not mouthed off in frustration, at someone else in response to persistent criticism, regardless whether justified or not, let that individual cast the first stone.
Sound of a 🎤 dropping ensues.
Peace!
Sorry, not buying it Kart. We all make mistakes, we all might mouth off when criticized but we all don't make millions of dollars playing a game we love. We are not trained on how to use social media or how to speak to the press like today's players are. Neal needs to shut up and play better or ask Dabol how to speak to the press. I hope everyone does boo louder at the next game if Neal continues to suck as bad as he does every time he takes the field.
If he doesn't get better fast, he'll be the one flipping burgers...
I'd say he handled these questions as well as anyone could have under the circumstances. Between the written apology and this press conference I'd say he has done everything he can, and it's time for everyone to move on. The Giants have much bigger problems than this incident, including, among countless other things, Neal's actual level of play on the field. Maybe in some perverse way this can be a turning point for him. Whatever frustration he's talking about feeling right now should go into trying to pancake the crap out of Miami's pass rushers on Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtF3oa9Y_Vw
Quote from: kartanoman on October 05, 2023, 03:22:22 PMAnyone here who has not mouthed off in frustration, at someone else in response to persistent criticism, regardless whether justified or not, let that individual cast the first stone.
Sound of a 🎤 dropping ensues.
Peace!
Wrong. Put it into the proper context. He's at work and addressing his paying customers, and no I've never told a customer to go to hell after repeatedly delivering horrendous service. Only a dolt would do that. Not quite the Mike drop you think it is.
Quote from: Flipper on October 05, 2023, 04:57:46 PMIf he doesn't get better fast, he'll be the one flipping burgers...
https://overthecap.com/player/evan-neal/10052#:~:text=Evan%20Neal%20signed%20a%204,2022%20worth%20%2424%2C551%2C256%20fully%20guaranteed. (https://overthecap.com/player/evan-neal/10052#:~:text=Evan%20Neal%20signed%20a%204,2022%20worth%20%2424%2C551%2C256%20fully%20guaranteed.)
There are $24 million reasons why he will never have to work again.
Welcome to TIKI land Mr. Neal.
A trip there will last you a lifetime.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on October 06, 2023, 10:14:13 AMWelcome to TIKI land Mr. Neal.
A trip there will last you a lifetime.
When did Tiki insult the fans directly? This is absurd. Why single out Tiki instead of Plaxico, JPP, OBJ, Eli Apple and Toney?
The Tiki point is an interesting one though. What he said was, in my opinion, less offensive than what Neal said. And Tiki was not just a good but a GREAT player for the Giants.
And many fans still dislike him 15-20 years later!
How is Neal ever going to come back from this?
On the counter side, I'm not sure that Tiki ever apologized or expressed meaningful regret. He may have, but I don't know. Neal at least apologized and did so quickly.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 06, 2023, 11:10:03 AMThe Tiki point is an interesting one though. What he said was, in my opinion, less offensive than what Neal said. And Tiki was not just a good but a GREAT player for the Giants.
And many fans still dislike him 15-20 years later!
How is Neal ever going to come back from this?
On the counter side, I'm not sure that Tiki ever apologized or expressed meaningful regret. He may have, but I don't know. Neal at least apologized and did so quickly.
To me this is simple...though apparently extremely difficult for Neal. He has to just play well. People will (mostly) forget about all of this if he turns into an excellent RT for a decade. Or Guard. He seems to be pretty bad at this, so that might not be so easy to accomplish but the answer is a simple one: stop sucking at football.
It's a running joke in the radio world how big of a mush Francesa is. If you believe in these sorts of things, the below prediction may be while Neal has struggled:
https://twitter.com/BackAftaThis/status/1710113902858477753
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 06, 2023, 02:20:40 PMIt's a running joke in the radio world how big of a mush Francesa is. If you believe in these sorts of things, the below prediction may be while Neal has struggled:
https://twitter.com/BackAftaThis/status/1710113902858477753
To be fair most everyone who mushes and gushes over prospects are not scouts or executives and go full fanboy over unproven NCAA players they saw a few tapes of.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 06, 2023, 06:50:46 PMTo be fair most everyone who mushes and gushes over prospects are not scouts or executives and go full fanboy over unproven NCAA players they saw a few tapes of.
Agreed. And he wasn't the only one who thought Neal was a plug-and-play star.
I admit I was hyped as hell for Neal, wanted him at 5, and am very disappointed