Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 04:18:44 PMI just wonder what happens if the computers or the network crap out

I would imagine they have a duplicate system in place for just that contingency.

Quote from: Topshelf21 on Today at 09:05:05 PMI know zero about this guy, but I do know that everyone in that video looks like they are going at half speed except for this guy...

Unsure if he'll make it, but there could be some interesting looks with him, Nabers, Wandale, Hyatt, and Singletary on the field at the same time regarding movement before the snap and during the play...

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Ole Miss played him at Qb his freshman year, then Wr his sophomore and Junior year before he transferred to UCF and played Qb I think his final year.

Kid has serious wheels. Think of all those Qbs that Belichick converted to Wrs or weapons. That's this guy 100%

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 08:59:06 PMHi Lenn,

Please see my post to Dave that addresses a lot of your concerns.

To add to my post, I'd like to mention some of the QB's Daniel defeated in 2022, they are the following:

Lamar Jackson
Aaron Rodgers
Trevor Lawrence
Kirk Cousins (should've been twice)

Now he has Nabers, to go along with Wandale and Hyatt.

If they can get the O line to just play average, say ranked 17th-18th, Daniel will have a big year.

You do remember that Jones didn't throw a pass for the last 17 minutes of the Jacksonville game even when we were down right?

Or that he only threw for 173 yards against the Ravens, and it took an epic meltdown from Jackson plus a great rushing and defensive game from guys not named Jones to win that game.

Barkley was the number 1 back in the league through the first half of 2022, but but our qb that barely averaged 180 yards and 1 td a game was the driving force..

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 08:53:09 PMFormer UCF QB John Rhys Plumlee is signing with the #Giants as a UDFA, per source.

Multi sport athlete, played football and baseball. Arm needs some work but the kid can run his ass off. As a freshman put up 300 rushing yards on the LSU team that won the national championship with Burrow and chase.

https://youtu.be/Hr6YRcT4Csc?si=rx7VGZu2HQ2t2qbE

I know zero about this guy, but I do know that everyone in that video looks like they are going at half speed except for this guy...

Unsure if he'll make it, but there could be some interesting looks with him, Nabers, Wandale, Hyatt, and Singletary on the field at the same time regarding movement before the snap and during the play...

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Quote from: LennG on Today at 12:44:04 PMI think many people also explained how I feel and the last post by Dave said it best. Yes, Jones had a decent year compared to many of the terrible years.
I'm sorry but fans (and I don't mean you specifically) keep telling us how Jones lacks certain things for a QB to be successful. True, but how many QBs in the league have a perfect system, great OL great WRs, and a good running game.
Anyone can succeed in those conditions. What separates the winners from the losers is that the good ones can overcome obstacles and still succeed. Jones is just not in that category. Everything needs to be perfect for him to have success and that is still not what the Giants offer. He simply cannot overcome certain things that other good QBs can. We have given him plenty of things now, so overall, I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Jones is what Jones is, an average QB who can make certain throws in the right circumstances but when he is asked to do more, he cannot. That is why he succeeded in the years you mentioned. He wasn't asked to do more than he was able to, we got a year of lucky ounces and breaks and we won. His numbers, as far as league wise, were average at best, but compared to his numbers from other years, he was successful. Nabors might get him a few more yards and completions, but that is about all.

Hi Lenn,

Please see my post to Dave that addresses a lot of your concerns.

To add to my post, I'd like to mention some of the QB's Daniel defeated in 2022, they are the following:

Lamar Jackson
Aaron Rodgers
Trevor Lawrence
Kirk Cousins (should've been twice)

Now he has Nabers, to go along with Wandale and Hyatt.

If they can get the O line to just play average, say ranked 17th-18th, Daniel will have a big year.

Potential?

Surprise, surprise Phillips takes #22

They drafted good players to build the depth of the team. It doesn't matter if I disagree that they passed on three possible franchise QB's. They drafted well. It remains the same be seen if these players work out to their draft position. It remains to be seen if the FA acquisitions will improve the protection and support and elevate Jones to perform to his salary and expectations. It remains to be seen if Barkley can be easily replaced.

The question is about grading who they drafted. I give them a 4.

Former UCF QB John Rhys Plumlee is signing with the #Giants as a UDFA, per source.

Multi sport athlete, played football and baseball. Arm needs some work but the kid can run his ass off. As a freshman put up 300 rushing yards on the LSU team that won the national championship with Burrow and chase.

https://youtu.be/Hr6YRcT4Csc?si=rx7VGZu2HQ2t2qbE

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 12:22:54 PMHi SXD,

I have seen you make this statement several times recently.

How would you say "his best years" compared to the rest of the league's QBs? Because that is frankly all that matters. Every QB who has played multiple seasons had his own "best years." All that matters is how they compared to the rest of the league. And if one is going to do an honest, objective comparison, one needs to look at the numbers holistically and not just pull out a few stats while omitting other key metrics.

I think Jones' best year was 2022. And that was hardly a great year. It was fine, but far from spectacular. At best it was league-average overall. I understand his efficiency metrics were above average, but his totals were way below average. The efficiency numbers were boosted by it being a simplistic offense that had him as a short pass-throwing game manager with the offense based on the running game. He was not asked to do much throwing the ball, and he didn't do much throwing the ball. He didn't make a lot of mistakes, so that is good, but it's relatively easy to not make a lot of mistakes when you're not being asked to make many risky throws.

His rookie season was worse than 2022 in my opinion. He turned the ball over way too much to be remotely effective. I get that some fans like to pretend fumbles don't matter and just want to isolate the other stats and brush the fumbles under the rug, but no serious/objective evaluator would ever do that.

All his other years were very, very poor in my opinion.

Just my two cents.

Hi Dave,

I always appreciate your posts and I wanted to say thank you for addressing me in a civil and respectful manner, that means a lot.

I would like to now answer your question regarding how Daniel Jones faired compared to his peers in 2022, which in my opinion was his best year.

In 2022 he only played in 16 games, because they had already secured a playoff spot, so they sat him for game 17, that needs to be factored in, as it affected his numbers.

This isn't an exhaustive list, but I did include the most important criteria, they are the following:

He threw for 3,200 Yards which ranked him 15th
His 67.2% comp ranked him 6th
His 15 passing TD's ranked him 21st
His 5 Int ranked him 2nd
He was sacked 44 times which ranked him 5th most
His 62.9 QBR ranked him 6th
His 92.9 RTG ranked him 13th

He had 6 fumbles which means 21 QB's were worse.

He rushed for over 700 Yards and 7 TD's.

If we combine his total yardage of passing and rushing we get these numbers:

3,900 Yards 67.2 % 22 TD 5 Int 92.9 RTG

This then ranks him based on total yardage as 11th in the league.

Hope that helps in some way.