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Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 10:42:48 AMThe only hope is that the o-line is the one position group where sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, eg, the 2008 Giants o-line.

But it puts into perspective all of the chatter here about the line improving to average this year.  Maybe they will, but I will have to see it to believe it.

To this end, I don't know if it was pushed by Bobby Johnson or Brian Daboll, but the focus on position versatility rather than unit cohesion seems counter-productive

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:29:12 AMThey signed 4 free agent guards with flex plus 2 blocking TEs and drafted another.

JMS in year 2 plus what is really year 2 for Neal with a new oline coach and there's no way they aren't better.

I'm not saying elite or even great but could easily see us being 18th at the end of 2024 with our additions.

That seems like a realistic ceiling

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 09:23:18 AMRanking an Offensive Line before the season is ridiculous. Especially since this Giants line has at least two players who have never played together, the sophomore season for the center, and undecided on who will be at RT. They're doing the PFF grades and coming up with an average. Let's see how this Unit plays together first. Although, I'm not personally satisfied that they didn't draft a Guard this year. Until they finally fix that line, Daniel Jones will not thrive. I doubt Lock would too. They didn't take a chance on finding an elite QB because they believed in Jones. Let's hope this Unit jells. Either way, Jones is destined to be here in 2025. 

For years, the Giants have substituted hope for plans when it comes to the O-line, and unfortunately, this year is no different.  The Giants hope Evan Neal can significantly improve (at least they have Eluemunor if Neal fails).  The Giants hope JMS can play significantly better than he did last season.  The Giants hope they can find a quality second guard to team with Runyan.

If hope succeeds and the new O-line coach proves to be a difference maker, this unit has a ceiling of average to high average.  Should it turn out that Bobby Johnson was unfairly blamed or both Neal and JMS don't significantly improve, this unit could be at or near the bottom again (especially if injury-prone Thomas misses significant time).

I would like to see the Giants face the Commanders early.  They added a lot of talent and it would be nice to face them before they have a chance to fully gel

Quote from: y_so_blu on May 13, 2024, 10:36:51 PMPFF might actually be right about something in this case.

PFF tends to be right more than it's wrong.   PFF is not perfect, but it's a reasonable measure of player performance (or at least a good supplement).  It's also helpful for positions where there are few quality stats.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 08:40:35 PMhttps://pff.com/news/nfl-strongest-weakest-position-groups-free-agency-2024-nfl-draft?

Good news for DJ. Another year of slack.

Not sure in what universe DJ would consider this good news:


Weakest: New York Giants
Even after earning the worst offensive line grade of any team in 2023, the Giants did very little to improve their unit this offseason. The group recorded a 44.6 PFF grade last year and will hope a fully healthy Andrew Thomas and the additions of guard Jon Runyan (56.5 PFF grade in 2023) and tackle Jermaine Eluemunor (68.7) can provide a boost.


DJ's suffered more than his fair share of injuries thanks to a long series of poor O-line protection.  Hell, last year, three quarterbacks started for NYG and three QB were injured playing behind that line

This topic has been merged into NGT: Goff's New Deal.

https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1790157917691220091

Here is how they made room

https://x.com/patricia_traina/status/1790144140526735803?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Now that Goff got his new contact

https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1790124808077779248?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1790119575582917024?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 10:15:43 AMFlott is 6'0.5. He came out of College at 165 lbs. He's still a lightweight at 175. If Daboll likes him outside, it portends the type of Coverage the new DC will employ. He is not a Press Corner. Unfortunately, he has not improved over the years and is not only a liability in Run Support, he gets manhandled by bigger Receivers. Although he has decent back-peddle and fluid hips, he's not fast and can get faked out by jukes. He has short arms, small hands, a weak Span, and a lousy Vertical. His size was good for the Slot but his weak Run Support was an issue and I remember sitting with Bobby Skinner at Camp discussing the frustration with Flott. Of course, anyone was better than Darnay Holmes. Put him on the outside and he's going to get burned over the top and fall down and play dead at second-level Run Support. Saquon Barkley is licking his chops just thinking about it. Sorry Ric @Jolly Blue Giant, but you and I are going to have to disagree on this one. He's getting bumped by Phillips who will have the same issues but at least he's more physical although a bad tackler. If an aging Adoree was a 7, Flott is a 5.

I wouldn't argue that you're wrong (I do hope so, but that's hope).  I am somewhat comforted by the idea that Flott will need to beat out Hawkins and McCloud to win that job.

Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
The Giants will be celebrating their 100th season this year.

Among the activations:

— Naming top 100 players
— 100th season day at Yankee Stadium
— "The Duke" documentary
— 10 $100K grants being presented by The Giants Foundation

The logo below will be used throughout the season. Crazy details.

Zeroes are shaped like Giants Stadium. Shield is shaped like their first home, the Polo Grounds. The eight laces symbolize eight NFL championships. The figure inspired by the classic Giant skyline logo.

https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1790022997777981949

https://x.com/Giants/status/1790018675661000705

https://x.com/Giants/status/1790021680364220626

https://x.com/Giants/status/1789067898880757793

I think the Giants have two outstanding position coaches who have done a solid job developing talent

D-line coach- Andre Patterson
DB coach/passing game coordinator- Jerome Henderson

Both of these coaches have done a great job getting the most out of questionable talent

Then there is the imported O-line coach, Carmen Bricillo, who has never coached an O-line that was top 10 according to PFF

I think ILB coach, John Egorugwu, has done a pretty good job in the past 2-years coaching up the ILBs


Beyond that, I think the other position coaches have been average at best.

Former NFL defensive lineman Chris Long explains the challenges of putting on weight in the offseason, and the variation between nutrition amongst the three franchises he played for in his career.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-nfl-players-put-on-maintain-weight/

This got me interested in NYG's nutritionist

Stephen Smith RD CSSD LD
 


Johnson & Wales University
BS, Culinary Nutrition
2005 - 2009

Appalachian State University
Hospitality and Tourism Management
2004 - 20052004 - 2005


Texas A&M University
MS - In progress, Sport Physiology


Director of Sports & Performance Nutrition

New York Football Giants · Full-time
Sep 2020 - Present · 3 yrs 9 mos
East Rutherford, New Jersey, United States

Applied Sports Dietitian
Targeted Performance Nutrition/Fueling Performance
Jul 2018 - Present · 5 yrs 11 mos
Houston, Texas
Private Practice - Consulting, Program Development, Product Development, University Consulting, Research Consulting, Individual Clients

Texas Children's
Sports Dietitian - Adolescent Medicine
Texas Children's Hospital
May 2018 - Oct 2020 · 2 yrs 6 mos
Houston, Texas

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Dietitian/Sports Performance Coordinator
Houston Texans
Jun 2014 - Mar 2018 · 3 yrs 10 mos
Houston, Texas

USASOC
Performance Dietitian
USASOC
Feb 2013 - May 2014 · 1 yr 4 mosos
Clarksville, Tennessee Area

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-smith-rd-cssd-ld-89131a11/

Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 01:03:50 PMThe biggest problem in that Dallas Game was Jones played scared and had a deer in headlights look. One thing he must improve upon is success on national tv games. He melts in those spots

Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 02:40:13 PMJones was horrible that game let's not forget that. He melted

Jones dropped back 28 times in that game.  Of those 28 dropbacks, he was sacked 7 times, hit 6 times, and hurried 24 times.   Do you think that it's possible (even if remotely) that might have impacted DJ's game?  Plus it was pouring rain