Big Blue Huddle

The question I have is Wilson was considered a shoe in for HOF two years ago. Is that still the case today? I think the answer is no. Let Russ cook means a qb who is getting benched and cut.

Just to piggyback the SB or bust theory ....There are only 3 QBs still playing or 2 if you will —that have won a  SB(s)....Mahomes obviously.

Then there is A Rodgers who is 40 and played four snaps last season. Then  there is Russ Wilson  who just got cut. Sooo not a very good barometer at all @ mighty

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 02:20:50 PMThe Panthers were in a terrible position to draft and develop a QB.  Yet, they traded up to the first pick in the draft and drafted Bryce Young.  How did that work out?

Consider some of the top QBs drafted by teams not prepared to develop a QB

Jags too Trever Lawerence who had one trip the playoffs and Lawerence hasn't lived up to his pre-draft billing

The Chargers took Herbert.   One trip (and no wins) to the playoffs, they are even drafting ahead of the Giants this season.

Also it is far too early to tell about what the Panthers did, or if they just drafted a bust.
The Bengals took Burrow and even gave him a few weapons.  They made one trip to the Super Bowl (only to lose), and Burrow seems to be hurt more than he is healthy.

You can see the Giants and DJ, you can see the Jets and Zach Wilson/Sam Darnold, you can see the Bears and Justin Fields, I could name more, but I think I made my point

So Daniel jones is in the same conversation with Joe Burrow; Herbert; and Trevor Lawrence now? Well they didn't win any Super Bowls just like Jones so that is the end of that

Not to mention Zak Wilson was a back-up last year, and he is a better QB than Jones ; so is Darnold for that matter.

I think the naysayers are more interested in building a roster first and looking for a QB later; no matter who the QB is. There were so many great QB options last year, this year too with Wilson and a QB heavy draft class

Instead we're just going to stick it out with Jones for us to build this mythological great team , and then get a QB. Who knows if any will be available; let alone how much Jones would drag down this mythological great team. Not to mention, can you imagine having a rookie QB when everyone is wondering if he is a bust or not while you have an all pro defense or WR corp or whatever.

Yikes

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Quote from: MightyGiants on March 05, 2024, 12:05:56 PMBitcoin as a replacement for dollars, is never going to happen.  Bitcoin's value is too unstable, it's use less and practical and ways to store it securely (and perhaps earn interest) not ideal.


Bitcoin is a way for people who are looking to break or skirt the law to be a thing.

Or gee i don't know maybe they are looking for a way not to be endebted to some weird entity that no one knows much about, and are looking for honest money. I.e. you borrow money from me -- you work overtime to pay me back. not just print up money out of thin air and lend out money out of thin air.

QuotePeople investing in Bitcoin like they would other no usable assets like Gold will be a thing as long as people wish it to be a thing.  I think the difference between crypto and gold is that gold has a limited supply.  While Bitcoin or any given cryptocurrency has a theoretical limit, the number of cryptocurrencies doesn't have a limit.  The other big difference is that gold does have some real-world value (jewelry and as a material), and it's been valued since man first understood the idea of money.  Crypto, on the other hand, has been around for a very short time.  If people decide they don't value crypto, its value plummets to zero because it has no intrinsic value and is not backed up by any institution or government.

Ah the good old gold argument, and I actually had some and fell for this at one time. Let me tell you I am much happier with bit coin now than I am with stupid gold. I am also glad I figured out a few things.

Just because gold is old, does not mean anything. A sucker was born every minute back then same as now.

Gold isn't really worth anything. It has no utility value but looking nice. I have some nice gold coins which I cannot bring myself to sell just because i like to look at them. I have a gold plated watch that serves that purpose.

QuoteFrankly, I think it's silly to ask to be paid in crypto.  Just get your check and buy as much crypto as you want. 

I agree actually. especially if your salary is really a matter of public record. It is going to be pretty tricky to claim 0 on line 10 of your irs form.

Am I missing something ... Bit coin is at all time highs. So none of them lost any money.

@ Mighty it doesn't fit my narrative.

Those QBs not only have high QBr QB rating and PFF but they also have things like top 10 passing yards ; Top ten TDs thrown , and things like pro bowl awards, and votes for MVP.

Are you really saying Daniel jones is in that category despite having NONE OF THOSE OTHER THINGS except some dubious , subjective stat? Wasn't there someone here touting Jacoby Brisset as a good QB because of his QBR? Seems to me like people trying to justify some stinky QB pulls these stats up. Also, you can be a QB who totally stinks and still have a respectable QBR if you run the ball a lot and ; never throw a pick but at the same time never play with any balls and throw a pass over 4 yards.

Again you never answered the question about it grading modern QBs higher.

Quote from: katkavage on February 28, 2024, 08:52:41 PMNever said Barkley the player was a bust. I hated drafting a running back at 2 and I was right that it was mistake. Eli was a Hall of Fame QB, but they should have rebuilt and moved on when Gettleman took over. Instead they thought they could build around an aging QB. My point was that one good game does not indicate a career. I was referring to Schoen pointing out the win against a mediocre Minnesota team as a breakout for Jones.

Why was it a mistake? And again who would you have drafted at that spot? If you wanted a QB and you felt a RB at 2 was a wasted pick--then the obvious thing to do would have been to draft Darnold.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 29, 2024, 08:49:01 AMIs anyone towing the company line over at Jets HQ when it comes to the QB they drafted 2nd overall?

the owner certainly isn't, and that paves the way for other critics. Zach also [provides for good scapegoat. Whereas here, the emperor is not wearing any clothes and mara loves Daniel Jones so we have to endure yet another year of excuses for Daniel Jones.

QB rating a dubious stat where the highest ratings are held by QBs in the modern era. I guess people like Joe Namath couldn't play QB?

QBR a made up ESPN stat.

PFF who even knows how they come up with their rating system and how do they know what the teams are trying to do on a play?

Quote from: katkavage on February 28, 2024, 05:15:45 PMJones had a nice season in 2022. He wasn't asked to do much and with the help of a healthy Barkley had success. Going into the Minnesota game there was no doubt in my mind the Giants were the better team and would win. Minnesota had a terrible defense and a young rookie coach. Jones played well and deserved credit for the win. The following week reality set in. To say that the Minnesota game proves Jones is an above average QB is absolutely ludicrous. I remember Gettleman pointing to a 400 yard passing game by Eli to say he still had something left and justifying the terrible Barkley pick at 2. One game does not make a QB. Let's just hope Schoen is just being diplomatic otherwise we Giant fans are doomed.

It is simply amazing to me how people stick to same opinions year after year despite years of evidence.

The Barkley picks is terrible at #2 ? What is terrible about it? THere are good odds that any pick at any given draft slot could have been a bust. Barkley wasn't that. In fact he has pretty much been the whole offense . You really wished they would have drafted Darnold with that pick?

Also the Eli was cooked narrative again. This team did not make any kind of dramatic improvement without Eli. In fact they have pretty much sucked since he was gone. The guy was a top 10 passing yards QB in 2018. A Top 10 pass completed QB in 2018. A top 10 passing attempts QB in 2018.

Daniel Jones has little to do with anything Eli at this point. Gettle was right about a few things. And Shoen has not shown to be much of an improvement. He had every opportunity to bring in another QB.

Well what do you want me to call them? Never in all my life do I remember a fanbase of any NY sports franchise; Football, baseball; hockey ; and Basketball so devoted to a player who so obviously just stinks! Can you name one? ... I can't.

By any objective and even subjective measure ... Jones did not accomplish what Alex Smith has on different teams. He is not as good. Jones did not accomplish what Jimmy G has done with the 49ers.

And by the by, I was called a troll by a poster who is obviously carrying a grudger for  pointing out the inconsistencies of cheering for players who have committed violent heinous crimes while acting like someone is the devil incarnate because their opinions on vax. It was politically motivated smear.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 08, 2024, 03:01:24 PMBetween you and @Fletch, I think @T200 realizes I was correct.   Still, here is what I have seen.  When good teams draft QBs their success rate is much higher than when bad teams draft a QB.  From what I have been seeing when a good team drafts a potential franchise QB, they have about a 75% success rate and even find gems in the later rounds.   When a bad team drafts a potential QB they have about a 25% chance of hitting on their QB.

Tiki is spot on.  Teams with good coaching, scheme, pass protection, and some weapons for their QB to throw to, have a much easier time developing their prospects into winners than teams where their new QB is running for their lives and desperately looking for open receivers, all with the added pressure of playing from behind.

He is saying the same thing Jones-lovers here are saying and presumably what Mara wants. This is not the first time Tiki is so obviously just trying to score kiss-ass point with the Giants.

Alex Smith wasn't a good QB? A 3x Pro Bowler. He had a high clutch factor with a good record of come from behind wins. He made an awesome comeback.

Jimmy G sucked? The 9ers couldn't even win a game before he got there. He went like 5-0  when he started ; threw like 300 yards a game in all of them. He went to the SB ; was supposed to replace Brady.

The Mara confederacy is in full effect. Then again is a Giant Alum really going to say Jones stinks. Draft a QB at all costs?

Texans disprove any bs claim. Either a an aspiring QB star is all it takes to turnaround a franchise or you can simultaneously add a new QB and other pieces as well. It isn't a 0zero sum game situation. Either way jones should be riding pine and or cut. But so clear the feelers are out there in keeping this guy and not drafting a QB.

You're drafting a Center 6th?