Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 12:30:21 AMHi,

I don't really have any issues with you, and I'm sure you're probably a decent to nice person in real life, but you've made it pretty clear over the years that you really don't like Daniel Jones, as you are entitled to your opinion.

But,

With that being the case, from time to time there are some posts that people make that make me say "Did he really just say that?", and this just happens to be one of those posts that I've highlighted in bold up above.

Daniel Jones against the Jacksonville Jaguars won "Offensive Player of the Week" in 2022.

Would you like to know why?

He was 19/30, passed for over 200 yards, 1 TD 0 Int, 94.0 RTG 88.2 QBR

He also rushed 11 times for over 107 yards averaging 9.7 yard per carry, including 1 rushing TD.

His go-ahead rushing TD with 5:31 remaining put the Giants ahead for the win, 23-17.

And he was the first player in Giants history to pass for over 200 yards, and rush for over 100 in the same game.

Equaling over 300 yards of total offense.

He outperformed Trevor Lawrence in that game.

So, I'll ask, are you sure you want to hold your position?

Here is the link down below to show you he won offensive player of the week against Jacksonville.

Enjoy

Daniel Jones

I know I haven't been a part of this conversation, but it's unclear to me in reading this whether you understand that QBR (the ESPN stat) is not a pure passing metric. You've mentioned with reference to Jones's passing stats, but then said he "also" contributed through rushing. ESPN QBR already incorporates the rushing productivity of the QB. That is how its calculated. Jones's running performance against Jacksonville was the 8th highest running EPA of any QB game that year and his best from that campaign. By contrast, Jones didn't log even one of the top 50 passing performances by EPA in 2022 (his generally accepted best season). He's a running QB who happens to throw the ball from time to time. But we already know that the Giants don't have unlimited faith in this backwards skillset because of the way they structured his contract and attempted to go after his replacement this last draft, offering significant value to move up just three spots.

As to the "Player of the Week" mention, it's a relatively meaningless thing. Jameis Winston won Player of the Week twice in the NFC. No one is clamoring for him to be a franchise quarterback. Rather, it shows that talented (but utlimately flawed QBs) are capable of putting together (relatively) impressive showings. That is not surprising given they are NFL QBs. The real test is not simply flashing every so often, but performing at a high level consistently.

IMO what they get out of this player could change a solid draft into a home run. Players from the various islands of the south Pacific have done well in the NFL and I see him as the player taken by the Giants who is most likely to exceed expectations (if you consider the round in which a player was taken as indicative of expectations). Bob

I think it came down to the trade for Burns. 

With Pick 39, IMO they had enough ammo to buy Pick Three from the Pats (and take whomever - probably Maye).

So which would you rather have... Burns plus Nabers -or- Maye?  My favorite (Daniels) was already gone so I say they're better off with Burns and Nabers (and they still have next year's 1st-round pick in case they stink again this season).

Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2024, 09:20:38 PMYou do remember that Jones didn't throw a pass for the last 17 minutes of the Jacksonville game even when we were down right?

Or that he only threw for 173 yards against the Ravens, and it took an epic meltdown from Jackson plus a great rushing and defensive game from guys not named Jones to win that game.

Barkley was the number 1 back in the league through the first half of 2022, but but our qb that barely averaged 180 yards and 1 td a game was the driving force..

Hi,

I don't really have any issues with you, and I'm sure you're probably a decent to nice person in real life, but you've made it pretty clear over the years that you really don't like Daniel Jones, as you are entitled to your opinion.

But,

With that being the case, from time to time there are some posts that people make that make me say "Did he really just say that?", and this just happens to be one of those posts that I've highlighted in bold up above.

Daniel Jones against the Jacksonville Jaguars won "Offensive Player of the Week" in 2022.

Would you like to know why?

He was 19/30, passed for over 200 yards, 1 TD 0 Int, 94.0 RTG 88.2 QBR

He also rushed 11 times for over 107 yards averaging 9.7 yard per carry, including 1 rushing TD.

His go-ahead rushing TD with 5:31 remaining put the Giants ahead for the win, 23-17.

And he was the first player in Giants history to pass for over 200 yards, and rush for over 100 in the same game.

Equaling over 300 yards of total offense.

He outperformed Trevor Lawrence in that game.

So, I'll ask, are you sure you want to hold your position?

Here is the link down below to show you he won offensive player of the week against Jacksonville.

Enjoy

Daniel Jones

A fair grade considering they had a paltry six picks in a draft that was IMO deep in the middle. Luckily, they got a can't-miss starter in exchange for their own 2nd-rounder (which they really could have used this year). In fact, for those interested in getting one of this year's QB's (a group I believe was very sub-par) had they kept their 2nd-rounder they probably had enough ammo to move up in this year's first round to grab Maye or whomever they were after in offering to trade with the Patriots. Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2024, 03:41:11 PMWell Feliciano just had an elite season ala 81.2 pff this year after looking just meh as a Giant in 2022.

One player, one season? How many other teams have a revolving door for offensive line coaches? PFF is a poor stat I don't value.

Quote from: kartanoman on April 27, 2024, 10:33:44 PMWhat would happen if the Eagles paid North Korea's hackers to break into the network to steal all of the Giants' draft proprietary data?

Don't you all think each team has their own intranet, managed by its own IT manager / Information Security Officer, backed up on its own secure cloud, and power protected by their own battery backup / surge protectors?

Let's not start the Ronnie Barnes of the IT department now!!!

Peace!

I wouldn't put it past the Eagles to conspire with North Korea ever.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 27, 2024, 04:18:44 PMI just wonder what happens if the computers or the network crap out

Guaranteed they have a contingency. I would be willing to bet there's a working fax machine just in case the worst happens.

B+ or A- seems fair. Giants addressed needs with talented players. I don't know what much more to ask for. Assuredly, some of these players will fail to live up to the draft pedigree, but for Schoen the process seems sound.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on April 27, 2024, 10:29:26 PMInstead of drafting Tracy in the 5th round do you think the Giants should have drafted Rattler, Platt or Travis instead ? Wouldn't that have more sense? Actually I am not sure if the Jets had drafted Travis in the 4th round

Why? Did they think any of them were better than what they already have. I don't think so.