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Former NFL executive and current analyst Michael Lombardi believes that New York Giants co-owner John Mara impacted the club's decision to not spend the sixth pick of the 2024 NFL Draft on a replacement for starting quarterback Daniel Jones.

"And remember, John Mara, the president of the team -- he's the reason why Daniel Jones is making all that money -- he loves Daniel Jones," Lombardi said during a Monday appearance on sports radio station 106.7 The Fan, per Dan Mennella of Audacy. "He drafted Daniel Jones as the sixth pick overall. Nothing would make them more happy than Daniel Jones being successful. They're almost willing it to happen. It won't, but they're hoping it will."

Specifically, former Giants general manager Dave Gettleman selected Jones with the sixth pick of the 2019 draft. Current New York general manager Joe Schoen and Mara came together to sign Jones in March 2023 to a four-year contract that could be worth up to $160M.

The Giants can escape that agreement next offseason as long as the 26-year-old isn't dealing with a football-related injury at that time.

This past March, well-known radio host and FS1 personality Colin Cowherd suggested that Mara wanted a quarterback in Jones who Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll "privately don't want."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/amp/former_executive_has_theory_on_why_giants_didnt_draft_daniel_jones_replacement/s1_13132_40300610

Should get DJ another season. Thanks for bringing it up.

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Imagine the possibilities!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 30, 2024, 06:43:28 PMWith all due respect to the OP and everyone else who has posted in this thread, this is officially a boring topic now.

This thread has been played out for years now (with different precise thread titles), and it's still the same folks on both sides making their same points. Clearly those who think Jones is this really good, franchise QB who has been a victim of circumstance are not going to change their minds about that, and those who think he is a middling talent aren't going to either.

We can keep these endless, circular discussions going on all summer if that's really what people want, have things get heated for no reason, and still not persuade anyone, or we can just agree to let him play this year, see what happens, and then discuss his performance on the field.

If the above is not possible or not wanted, then I would humbly suggest we go back to a central "Jones Thread" for all Jones content, rather than going back and forth in 10 different threads concurrently until September (and likely beyond).

We're going into year six now. It's just not that interesting of a topic anymore. I also don't think it's a very controversial one anymore outside of this forum and a small contingent of Giants fans.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 30, 2024, 09:04:28 AM@Ed Vette that was some turnaround.  Prior to the draft you were talking about how excited you were, how this was the most important draft, and even threw in a reference to the multiverse.  Now you seem absolutely crestfallen.


As to the question, I think this team is moving in the right direction.  I appreciate the team lost Barkley and McKinney, but in my mind, it's not about adding good players; it's about adding impact players.  While it's not unreasonable to label both Barkley and McKinney as good, neither really made an impact on the team nor its fortunes.

Now, with the qualifier that this is a speculative thread and question, so we are projecting the play of players, I see the following:

On offense, the Giants added Nabers, who I feel will have a significant positive impact. He will do that by not only giving the quarterback an open target but also adding significant YAC, something this offense hasn't had in quite some time.

I also see players making bigger positive impacts this year than last, including JMS, Hyatt, Robinson, and Daniel Jones (if he stays healthy).

I wouldn't be surprised if Theo Johnson and Tyrone Tracy are year-one contributors.

I don't believe there will be a drop off at RB

At QB, I am concerned about DJ's ability to stay healthy, but I am intrigued as to what Drew Lock can bring to the table.  He always had talent, but from what I hear, he finally "gets it" in terms of what it take to be an NFL QB.

Still, the biggest problem with the offense was the offensive line. I hope that when we look back on next season, we will say the biggest addition to the team was O-line coach Carmen Bricillo.  Adding a bunch of proven veterans to pair with the younger players seems to be a wise move at this point.

On Defense, I don't have any reason to believe that Shane Bowen isn't a competent DC.  The addition of Burns and the day two DBs were nice additions.  There were already some solid contributors with Dex, Thibs, and Okereka.  There is no reason to think the Giants can't field at least a middle-of-the-pack defense with some potential upside.


Coaching is an interesting issue.  I have gone on record that I didn't like how the Giants handled the situation.  Still, if one wants to take the optimistic view, Daboll's staff should at least all be on the same page and follow Daboll's vision for how the team should be run.  That has the potential to make things much better for the team.

So all-in-all I am cautiously optimistic

You're one of three fans on this poll who is excited. When I said this was a pivotal and important draft, I stand by that. IMO, they needed to draft a QB, even if it was the one you pushed that I said I needed more information on. I would have been happy with JJ McCarthy. Not with Jones for a 6th season.

Quote from: katkavage on April 30, 2024, 07:10:23 AMI don't know about Joe Alt, but I'm pretty sure, picking 6, they never were serious about a QB despite the blather of Mara and Schoen. If they were picking number 1 they would haven't had a choice and would have had to take Williams. Anything other than that, I think they would have traded out. It's all about saving face over the contract for Jones.

Once Maye was off the table, I think Alt was the guy. Although I don't think they ever had serious intentions of trading the farm for Maye.

The ones in the best situations would be Williams but the Bears have been following finding ways to hurt themselves. Let's see how his projection will perform.

Daniels but Washington is a hapless organization who also kill themselves and their QBs. They had RG3 and Cousins. Somehow they will find a way to wind up with Sam Hartman as their starting QB.

Nix is in a good place with one of the all time best Head Coaches who will build a program around Nix. This might be the best opportunity.

McCarthy is also surrounded by outstanding talent. But another team that has never quite put it together.

Maye and Penix? I feel sad for them.

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"Linked to both North Carolina's Drake Maye and Michigan's J.J. McCarthy in the weeks leading up to the 2024 NFL Draft, many wondered if the New York Giants would make a move up for a quarterback in Round 1.

Despite the weeks of speculation that the front office was looking to find Daniel Jones' successor, ESPN's Adam Schefter said on Monday's "Pat McAfee Show" that the Giants were never really interested in a signal-caller at all but were actually trying to orchestrate their own perfect storm.

"I believe the Giants wanted Joe Alt to slide to them," Schefter said. "... I think some of this quarterback talk for the Giants might have been a little camouflage to try to get somebody like Minnesota to trade up because if they traded up to the Chargers spot at 5 and got J.J. McCarthy, Joe Alt would've slid right to the Giants' slot at No. 6 and that would have been ideal for a team that last year allowed its quarterbacks to be sacked 85 times."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/insider_says_giants_interest_in_drafting_a_qb_was_a_smokescreen/s1_13132_40301605?

Quote from: LennG on April 29, 2024, 07:48:19 PMKat

Yes, we had a horrible schedule last year, but even with a decent schedule, it still all depends on when you play certain teams. Last year, we started out, what, our first 6 games, against maybe the best teams in the league and it hurts to get slaughtered starting the season. It has to have an effect on the player's psyche. Give us a few winnable games in t he first 5-6 games and let t he team feel what winning really does for morale.

Did you forget 2009? I still remember the Safety everyone scapegoated. CC Brown.

Maybe it's all the years of disappointment. Or mediocre FA's and Draft picks that produced nothing. I feel like I should be excited over the upcoming season but I'm not. I do think they had a solid draft but I felt that way for many drafts. I like the FA's brought in on the O-line and the Burns trade but I've had that before.

Golladay and Toney were exciting additions to the receiver Corp in 2021.
Mckethan, Beavers, Flott, Neal, Owens, Riley, Grey, Flott and Hawkins entering second and third years after showing very little to get excited about.
Six years of Daniel Jones full of excuses after excuses.

Every season there was hope that the Offensive Line would finally come together. Those guys are all gone.

Injuries have ravished this team to the point where major players go down and it kills the team.

Come July however, this fan will be excited once again, going to camp and looking forward to a turnaround season that can sustain success and build off of it. Still, the QB and O-Line have a lot to prove. A new Defensive Coordinator and a new System will take some getting used to. Daboll is committed to designing around the talents of the players, at least Offensively.

So, what's your level of enthusiasm?

Guests Can Vote.

Let's hope there aren't any Diva comparisons. 

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