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Show posts MenuQuote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:24:24 PMAs it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult. I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made. To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...I was going to drop that point and it's a good one, but I didn't want to have to explain myself in a series of another dozen posts for those in the back of the room.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:17:03 PMThe day we all agree, we can close shop.
All good my man!
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:06:55 PMThat's a *little* more plausibe. Little.Wouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:03:29 PMYou'd be very hard-pressed to find me taking any exception to drafting or not drafting a QB. I never took a position.Must be nice being neutral. After all the unnecessary sacks taken and illustrated on this site and QB comparison on other teams who managed well, your context is subjective. The Offensive Line was clearly an issue, so was the QB.
But I apologize for continuing to bring facts, context, and perspective into the discussion.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:53:44 PMSorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.They don't know who the starting QB will be.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 01:53:41 PMThat's a lot easier to do when you are playing behind a very good OL and not an historically bad OL.When y'all are crying because they didnt draft a QB, Ill be there to provide comfort and shelter from the storm.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/article/offensive-line-rankings-and-tiers-end-of-nfl-season-review-2024-offensive-line-outlook/
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 01:43:32 PMLet's see how long he has in the pocket before he has to start running for his life.And the beat goes on...
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 15, 2024, 11:19:28 AMIs this anything new? For the past 5 years it's been Barkley and now it's Lawrence and Thibs. The best players on the team or flashy 1st rd picks are typically the focus of the media.It is sad that the highest paid player has never been considered the face of the franchise.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 15, 2024, 09:34:21 AMI don't remember the first neck injury. However the second one was a hit in the back because Ezeudu completely wiffed his block. The ACL was from trying to get out of the pocket because his protection had completely broken down. DJ actually was trying to get around his unengaged RT to escape the pressure from his left.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 15, 2024, 06:34:34 AMI think this is extremely important this year. One has to assume that his rushing production will take a hit post-ACL unless he has an Adrian Peterson-like recovery.It won't matter if he hasn't learned how to slide or take an Eli dive. He's apparently too rigid of a body or not athletic enough to be able to slide. One of his issues is taking off after the first read. Because he can't read the field past his first read, or hesitates and windows close. Something the apologists and pilot fish are too stubborn or obtuse to accept. Which are the same traits he exhibits.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 15, 2024, 06:03:19 AMTell that to MVP QB Lamar Jackson.Jackson can throw the ball downfield while scrambling and running or from the pocket and not get hurt to the point of losing a massive amount of time.
Seriously, it's not like officials forced the Giants to punt when DJ's legs pick up a first down. It's not like officials tell the score keeper to remove that touchdown because DJ ran it in rather than threw it. Yardage, first downs, and touchdowns all count the same regardless if DJ got them through the air or on the ground.