Big Blue Huddle

Not the most inspiring list 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 15, 2024, 12:09:01 PMThe most damning issue with Jones is that other, dramatically lower paid QBs on this team were more effective than he was behind the same line.

Even if Taylor were about the same as Jones, that wouldn't have been a good look at all. But he was in fact demonstrably better. There is simply no getting around or sugarcoating that fact.

His career numbers happen to be better than Jones' too, and Taylor has been on mostly bad teams his whole career.

Two other backups were much more aggressive and also made correct presanp reads.

Presnap reads exist before any pass rush is present, Jones inability to correctly do that to me is a huge issue. for a QB in his 5th year, this is one issue that is very hard to overlook. It really show s you where his mind is at. He made a very bad line worse.

Tommy and Taylor both had a bad line, albeit not as bad some pieces were back, but a bad line nonetheless and made them slightly better with the reads, adjustments, pocket presence and being aggressive in their throws.

Hell TT was slinging the ball down field over 15-20 yards 15% of the time, the highest % since Eli in 2011

Jones had a bad line but got flustered, played it safe and then by doing so consistently became part of the problem. I can buy the Giants wrecked him, I watched it too, but it is what it is now and he is shell shocked. The Giants owe him 69 mill so after they get another QB I suspect they will let the new QB learn behind Jones, let the Oline develop and hopefully let jones develop some kind of trade market.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 15, 2024, 11:48:02 AMActually Love sat 3 seasons. It's almost an identical formula from how they developed Rodgers.

Had to double check there for a second


Jordan Love Career Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 15, 2024, 10:31:51 AMThey make a pretty strong case for not rushing QBs onto the field. They did the same thing with Rodgers that they did with Love. Even Favre didn't start as a rookie and then only started some of the games in his second year. Obviously we all know Mahomes waited a year before going in. That's not to say that starting QBs in year one never works (I can name plenty of examples where it worked just fine), but they do seem to get good results doing it their way.

Farves 2nd season, 1st with Packers he got in the 2nd game in a blow out lose and then got the start over Don in week 3 and won.

The Packers never looked back

they sit them behind established starters 

Rodgers sat for 3 seasons before being a starter

Love sat 2 seasons before being a starter 

I just wish our team made headlines for quality play and not the constant losing and side drama

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/12/new-york-giants-brian-daboll-makes-brutal-outbursts-personal/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3tSBUmLbpLRleY9QtKKOfL4DZln-h2ykeQ7ulDKo_tkZ36oBRd4QE3n-A_aem_ATEtSBf20qWMgVzW6wSqUPPCEHf-PReUqexlUqZFiW3za2l_tCJ3aRzmVQMbS5NoU1M#lrat2vjum90wz6wn72

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2024, 08:02:22 AMIt seems strange that all of these stories are coming out this week. The beat reporters have access to these guys throughout the season.

Are the Giants positioning themselves to sack Daboll in the coming days?

Jackson said both were great actors , never would of known there was an issue 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 11, 2024, 09:18:25 AMI think Wink could be described as an anti-hero.  The players love him because he listens to them, treats them well, and puts them in positions to succeed.  However, he also isn't the dutiful follower in the bigger picture.  He will be a pain in the backside to manage because he has a way of doing things and isn't one to go for the Kumbaya management fads.  Managing a guy like Wink takes some management talent, patience/tolerance, and a constant reminder that it's about the big picture, but guys like this tend to get results.

It doesn't sound like Mckiney or Thibs would agree 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 11, 2024, 08:37:20 AMWhen you develop a defensive game plan, it can be done by the DC by themselves, it can be done with the DC and one or two others he works very well with, or it can be done collaboratively with the entire team.

In the end, a smart head coach allows his coordinators to work in the way they are most comfortable with and where they are most effective.  To tell a DC how to come up with his game plan is what would be called micromanaging. 

Sure people work in different ways but that doesn't have any tie to Lombardi's comment. 


FYI, overall through 33 games, Winks game plans sucked

Quote from: BluesCruz on January 11, 2024, 04:44:02 AMAgree totally
Wink made Chicken soup from Chicken feathers
Daboll's offense was mostly lame

As I have said in other posts, Daboll should be tossed also.

Start over with a top of the line HC.  Daboll came to us with zero HC experience, and it shows.  We won 6 games and in those 6 wins it was the D that led the way with umpteen turnovers generated. 

To make matters worse, the back up QBs showed Daboll's judgement to ride Jones as starting QB was catastrophic.  Perhaps Mara saddled Daboll with Jones. Who knows

In 2022 the defense certainly did not carry the team.  They were a liability more than not, certainly not to the extent the offense was this season but they were the weak link that season. And they had more pieces than the offense.


If anyone deserved the Houdini award in 2022 it was Daboll for creating the most basic preliminary smoke and mirrors offense yet they were still able to get production with a horrible line, a glorified backup QB, a receiver corp led by Slayton. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 11, 2024, 08:26:04 AMAs Mike Lombardi said, if they weren't included in the collaborative process, you have to ask why that was the case.  In the same podcast, there was something else that Mike said that struck me (in terms of collaboration)-  "you have never seen any one put up a statue to honor a committee"

No one who ever got a statue did so without a team of people behind them 

Easier to replace a coach compared to replacing 52 players

Even successful coaches move on from teams

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 10, 2024, 12:00:29 PM@babywhales

I pointed out in the other thread that if the Giants didn't think very highly of Wink's abilities as a DC, they wouldn't be worried he would go down the Turnpike and work for the Eagles (as has been reported by beatwriters).

He will be gone and free to choose his destination at some point very soon. 


If they were truly worried they would not have intentionally started this war with him. They knew he was leaving, as such they tried to orchestrate it by having a 8:30 am presser announcing 2 non defensive firings, only to finish the presser and almost immediately fire two of winks closest and longest tenured assistants. 

To be fair Wink's defense was not good. 
2022
25th yards
15th passing yards
20th Passing TD's
27th rushing yards
9th rushing TD's
3rd in penalties
25th take aways


2023
27th  Yards
19th Passing YArds
11 Passing Td's
29th Rushing Yards
31st Rushing Td's
1st Take Aways
19th Penalties
26th Scoring
25th Red Zone

The only real positive with the 1st ranked Take Away Defense and the 9th ranked 3rd Down Defense


The dysfunction leading to Wink wanting to leave is a bigger issue than the lose of a DC who ran a bottom 5 defense IMO

The Giants defense was massively inefficient, 2nd in NFL in missed tackles, 1st in Blitzing 45.4 % to get to a 8.8% QB hurry per drop back (7th),  17th in pressure % , 2nd on Yards after the catch and sacks (34-29th)

that is better than last year when they led the league in blitz % at 39.7 % but only had a hurry rate per drop back of 7.4% (11th in NFL). Last year Yards after the catch was better (ranked 12th) and sacks (41-13th)


It could be worse with Wink gone but the guy was not running a solid defense.  This year it was a bottom 5 defense and based on the discord and his attitude in no way would I want him back