Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Philosophers on September 08, 2024, 02:10:02 PMBill B was very smart to say he wants to coach again in 2025.  One of his most beloved teams may have an opening.

Is he bringing Tom Brady from 10 years ago with him? If not, no thanks.


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Tua's comments have nothing to do with Flores's lawsuit against the NFL.

Also, coaches say stuff like that to players all the time. It sounds like Flores never wanted Tua as his QB which is legitimate. Maybe unpleasant for Tua to hear, but that's the NFL.

Man, that's ugly.

In those early days, the players got so muddy you couldn't make out the colors after five minutes. But in 2024, we'll be seeing those colors in hi-def for four hours every game. Haven't Giants fans suffered enough?

Quote from: Fletch on May 05, 2024, 08:45:54 PMThey had Ernie A. as GM. And he had to drag Wellington kicking and screaming to draft a QB with the top3 pick in the 2004 draft.

False.

Wellington had nothing to do with the 2004 draft. He wasn't involved in the draft. Ernie Accorsi wasn't a great GM but Eli was the highest rated QB that year on everybody's list. The Giants actually drafted Philip Rivers 3rd overall in order to trade him to San Diego who drafted Eli, who refused to play in San Diego. That was Accorsi's best move (also refusing to trade Osi Umenyora). The Giants were only in that position in the first place because they went 4-12 in 2003, Jim Fassel's final year as HC.

The 2007 and 2011 championships had a lot to do with Jerry Reese's early moves, including the outstanding draft class of 2007 (Bradshaw, Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Aaron Ross), and then getting Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, JPP, and Antrel Rolle. Not to mention Tom Coughlin's outstanding leadership and the presence of Michael Strahan (drafted by George Young), Tuck (drafted by Accorsi), and Plaxico Burress in 2007 (signed by Accorsi).

John has nothing to do with the earlier Super Bowls. And they came because the Mara family was completely sidelined from the football decisions. That's when the Giants have always done best.

   

George Young ran the team as a dictator. For better or worse. In effect, the NFL took over the Giants franchise in 1979 after "The Fumble" because Wellington Mara had run it into the ground with 15 years of mismanagement and awful decision-making and his nephew Tim, Jr., had to step in and block Wellington's rule. Wellington and his side of the family owned 50% of the franchise and Tim's family (as the son of Wellington's sister) owned the other 50%. Pete Rozelle essentially forced Wellington to hire Young as a GM and to become a figurehead signing checks and hanging out on the field with the players while Young ran the show. That went really well for about 10 years until Young lost his touch in the 1990s, especially when he drafted Dave Brown and cut Phil Simms about 2-3 years too soon (though he did manage to draft Michael Strahan and Tiki Barber before retiring). Accorsi wasn't a great GM but he drafted Eli and Tom Coughlin was hired as HC during his tenure (against Accorsi's desires, he and Coughlin didn't really get along). By then, the Maras were once again involved in decision-making.

The Giants ownership is an odd structure. John Mara is not the owner. He and his brother Chris are part co-owners, and their side of the Mara family owns 50% of the team. The other 50% is owned by the Tisch family, which bought that share from Tim Mara, Jr.'s family. For me, the problem begins once the ownership and professional side are mixed. For instance, Chris Mara is both a Giants executive and a co-owner. Which means, essentially, that he can never be fired. And John Mara cannot be fired as team president, though he is clearly incompetent at his job.

The Giants have been a bad team since 2012 because, essentially, the owners have made a string of poor hires at both the GM position (Gettleman, who wasn't a puppet, just bad), and head coach (McAdoo, Shurmur, Judge, while the jury is out on Daboll). It's as simple as that. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 03, 2024, 11:28:44 AMI don't think he interferes with decisions so much as he just can't shut up.

This.

John Mara is what the kids now call a "nepo baby". He's where he is because the job fell into his lap as Wellington's son (and Wellington inherited HIS role from HIS daddy). He literally has nothing else to do besides the Giants. No real job. No outside business of his own. So he talks. A lot.

Simms is a smart, funny, fascinating guy who really muted himself to fit TV. He's much better when he does relaxed podcasts or is a guest on people's shows, he lets down his hair and is himself. His media career is far from over.

People here are funny and living in a fantasy world expecting professional NFL players to remain "loyal" to teams that don't have any loyalty to any player and will always do what they consider to be in their best interests. If you begrudge SB for going to the Eagles, you have no idea of the reality of the NFL.

As for his future: if he stays healthy, he will absolutely thrive (and probably kill us whenever we play him). But that's a BIG "if".

It's really no great loss. Wilson seems shot.

I don't think Daniel Jones can come back from his injuries.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 14, 2024, 10:27:17 PMToday they'd call a personal foul on thrat hit.

It's a great and legal hit, even today, but I got CTE just watching it.

This is from the days when we watched the NFL completely guilt-free, blissfully unaware (or only vaguely aware) of how it destroys the lives of players.

Excellent poster. May he rest in peace.

Two of the finest football minds in the English-speaking world in conversation: a true joy for the rest of us!

Brian, my friend, that is some excellent stuff. Kudos. No one sees the game of football quite like you.

Few know this but Brian can do the same for British Premier League Soccer!