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Yup. They were never going to draft a QB with Jones under that horrific contract. Giants are so predictable.

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 04:17:34 PMRich: IMO, we're not short on topics right now, so why talk about guys who've never played an NFL game? Bob

PS. Sorry to be a stick in the mud... appreciate all you do for this site, but IMO this one could be brought up in late summer (maybe).

On paper counts, Bob. You should know that.

Quote from: LennG on Today at 12:44:04 PMI think many people also explained how I feel and the last post by Dave said it best. Yes, Jones had a decent year compared to many of the terrible years.
I'm sorry but fans (and I don't mean you specifically) keep telling us how Jones lacks certain things for a QB to be successful. True, but how many QBs in the league have a perfect system, great OL great WRs, and a good running game.
Anyone can succeed in those conditions. What separates the winners from the losers is that the good ones can overcome obstacles and still succeed. Jones is just not in that category. Everything needs to be perfect for him to have success and that is still not what the Giants offer. He simply cannot overcome certain things that other good QBs can. We have given him plenty of things now, so overall, I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Jones is what Jones is, an average QB who can make certain throws in the right circumstances but when he is asked to do more, he cannot. That is why he succeeded in the years you mentioned. He wasn't asked to do more than he was able to, we got a year of lucky ounces and breaks and we won. His numbers, as far as league wise, were average at best, but compared to his numbers from other years, he was successful. Nabors might get him a few more yards and completions, but that is about all.

I hear all the time what's with the Jones hate. First of all, there is no hate. It's a judgement on his play, that's all. I don't understand the "love." I've been watching him and football for over five decades. I have not seen Jones do what great QBs do, overcome odds and carry the team to victory. It has never happened. Well, okay, in the fourth quarter against a pitiful Arizona team last year. And yes, he had a very good game against a Minnesota team whose defense was abysmal. Beyond that. Nothing. I listed the rankings I felt of the current QBs. Jones was number 21. Maybe Nabers and a better offensive line will bump him up to 15 or 16. That's the ceiling folks. He's never shown anything beyond that. I know why they didn't draft a QB. I know this franchise and how it works. They knew New England was never going to trade out of #3 so posturing with those picks was just that. And when they passed on McCarthy they never were serious about getting a QB. They signed Jones to big money. They want to get something out of that if they can. I get it. But we fans have to wait now until 2025 or beyond for hope. At least that's how I feel.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on Today at 10:41:02 AMGoodell should mull stepping away, he's systematically ruining the NFL.


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Might be true, but they are a money machine and the owners love it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2024, 05:15:02 PMJust don't see Penix being the one they want to trade unless he plays terribly or gets hurt again.

It's a terrible situation for Penix. If he went to Denver or the Raiders he would have a chance to start. Atlanta picks him up and he has to sit and know the only way he gets in is if Cousins gets hurt. I feel bad for the kid.

DB or interior offensive line. I wouldn't draft a rb until day three.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 26, 2024, 12:23:13 PMIf DJ got to 12th (where Hurts is), I dont think we'd have the Eagles record because they have so many better players than the Giants do.  To be the Eagles DJ would have to be more like 5th - 7th or 12th with all the Giants players getting much better.

I doubt DJ can be 5th-7th.

That's how I see it.

He's got a long road to climb to get into the top ten. And I'm sure one of the rookies will emerge as well.

As of today, these are my rankings. The teams with all new QBs I just piled on at the tend of the list.

1. Mahomes Kansas City
2. Burrow   Cincinnati
3. Allen    Buffalo
4. Jackson   Baltimore
5. Stroud    Houston
6. Prescott  Dallas
7. Goff         Detroit
8. Stafford    LA Rams
9. Purdy    San Francisco
10. Herbert    LA Chargers
11. Rogers     Jets
12. Hurts    Philadelphia
13.  Cousins    Atlanta
14. Love        Green Bay
15. Lawrence   Jacksonville
16. Watson     Cleveland
17. Murray   Arizona
18. Mayfield    Tampa Bay
20. Carr       New Orleans
21. Smith     Seattle
22. Wilson     Pittsburgh
23.  Jones    Giants
24. Levis   Tennessee
25. Young, Carolina
26. Richardson, Colts
27. Minshew, Raiders
Bears
Vikings
Patriots
Denver
Washington

Feel free to reassemble.

Looking back on it, Nabers was always the pick. Sure, they flirted and teased with the potential QBs, but it wasn't going to happen. And if Nabers wasn't there, they would have taken Odunze. No doubt. They invested too much money in Jones to move on from him and not at least try to get their money's worth. They hope that providing him with a weapon like Nabers they can at least recoup some of that money in terms of wins. The Giants are a predictable, conservative franchise. They always have been, usually for the worse. That doesn't mean it won't work out this time. It might very well. But the track record with the Maras, father and son, has been, with the exception of when "outsiders" took control, pretty dismal. I'm old enough to have lived through so many of them and why I remain cynical. But time will tell on this pick and the choices they have made going forward.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:51:48 AMTeam building is about increasing the team's overall talent level, ideally at key positions.  It's not about just one player, even QB.

I agree, but without elevating the most important position on the field, you are treading water.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 07:48:12 AMkat: I don't see it that way. I see Nabers as the final piece to the puzzle on offense. I'm assuming they already have the running backs they need to do the offense the way THEY want to do it, not the way the fans want to see them do it. The Giants will now be a pass-first (modern NFL?) offense, not the traditional type you and I favor. Give them a chance. It won't be "Giants' football" on offense... but hopefully it will be winning football. Bob

I don't see what you see in the QB s that's the issue. I've seen the QB for five years and it's not changed. Not to mention he will be limited to start the season on top of the vulnerability he has to injury. You can't win in this league without stellar QB play, top 15 won't cut it.

If I'm Penix's agent, I work very hard to get Atlanta to trade him. It might not happen until training camp, but he has no chance to play unless Cousins gets hurt. There is no way they sit a QB who is making that much no matter how good the rookie behind him is. The pick was an all time blunder.

I have no doubt Nabers is an exceptional talent. But he won't move the needle much for the Giants as they are presently constructed. So it's nice to have a potentially all star caliber player on the roster, wide receivers don't have the impact without other pieces in place, particularly the QB. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but that won't be evident for a long time.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 25, 2024, 10:20:41 PMI agree with you. I just looked at the Cousins contract. They're pretty much stuck with him through 2026. Completely bizarre that they signed him if they were willing to pick Penix in the top 10. Seems like they didn't scout Penix at all during the season, and then they jumped to signed Cousins, then they finally did some due diligence on Penix and fell in love with him.

Crazy way of doing things.

Maybe after next year, when they realize the error of their ways, Atlanta can trade him Penix to the Giants. They are stuck with Cousin's contract no matter what.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2024, 05:52:04 AMThey had JJ McCarthy sitting on their laps and they passed him up for a Number One Receiver. Regardless of whether they pick up one of the third tier QB's in Pratt or Rattler or a surprise in Milton, either Jones or Lock will be slinging the ball at least for this year and maybe in 2025 too. No if and or buts about it.

Agreed and we fans will shake our heads and bitch and moan here while the mediocrity cycle continues and the bodies of GMs and coaches lay scattered about the wreckage.