Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 02:49:27 AMI have my doubts whether Kraft was going to approve any trade out of #3 and Maye. I don't think the pick we traded for Burns would have tipped the balance.He wasn't.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 02:49:27 AMI have my doubts whether Kraft was going to approve any trade out of #3 and Maye. I don't think the pick we traded for Burns would have tipped the balance.He wasn't.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2024, 07:28:18 PMI actually don't believe this to be the case, myself. Pretty much everyone in the media including respected, resourceful insider types like Ian Rappaport claims the Giants tried very hard to get a deal done with the Pats, but it simply wasn't possible (without the terms being obscene to the point of not being worth it).It's the cynic in me, DB. Looking at it now, I really don't think NE would pass on the third best QB no matter what was offered. Kraft wanted a QB. And the Giants knew this. The talks weren't serious. There was a reason Nabers was the consensus mock pick from the get go. I really think they couldn't seriously take a QB with Jones under that bad contract. It would be an admission of a mistake. Again no proof but I'm just not convinced.
I think the reason they didn't draft McCarthy is not that they were unwilling to draft a QB with Jones under control. The owner (who has been perhaps the biggest Jones advocate in the building) himself said he was fine with them drafting a QB in the first round. The reason they didn't take McCarthy is because they didn't believe he was worthy of being taken sixth overall. And they couldn't get the guy they wanted. Simple as that.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2024, 04:17:34 PMRich: IMO, we're not short on topics right now, so why talk about guys who've never played an NFL game? BobOn paper counts, Bob. You should know that.
PS. Sorry to be a stick in the mud... appreciate all you do for this site, but IMO this one could be brought up in late summer (maybe).
Quote from: LennG on April 27, 2024, 12:44:04 PMI think many people also explained how I feel and the last post by Dave said it best. Yes, Jones had a decent year compared to many of the terrible years.
I'm sorry but fans (and I don't mean you specifically) keep telling us how Jones lacks certain things for a QB to be successful. True, but how many QBs in the league have a perfect system, great OL great WRs, and a good running game.
Anyone can succeed in those conditions. What separates the winners from the losers is that the good ones can overcome obstacles and still succeed. Jones is just not in that category. Everything needs to be perfect for him to have success and that is still not what the Giants offer. He simply cannot overcome certain things that other good QBs can. We have given him plenty of things now, so overall, I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Jones is what Jones is, an average QB who can make certain throws in the right circumstances but when he is asked to do more, he cannot. That is why he succeeded in the years you mentioned. He wasn't asked to do more than he was able to, we got a year of lucky ounces and breaks and we won. His numbers, as far as league wise, were average at best, but compared to his numbers from other years, he was successful. Nabors might get him a few more yards and completions, but that is about all.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on April 27, 2024, 10:41:02 AMGoodell should mull stepping away, he's systematically ruining the NFL.Might be true, but they are a money machine and the owners love it.
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2024, 05:15:02 PMJust don't see Penix being the one they want to trade unless he plays terribly or gets hurt again.It's a terrible situation for Penix. If he went to Denver or the Raiders he would have a chance to start. Atlanta picks him up and he has to sit and know the only way he gets in is if Cousins gets hurt. I feel bad for the kid.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 26, 2024, 12:23:13 PMIf DJ got to 12th (where Hurts is), I dont think we'd have the Eagles record because they have so many better players than the Giants do. To be the Eagles DJ would have to be more like 5th - 7th or 12th with all the Giants players getting much better.He's got a long road to climb to get into the top ten. And I'm sure one of the rookies will emerge as well.
I doubt DJ can be 5th-7th.
That's how I see it.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:51:48 AMTeam building is about increasing the team's overall talent level, ideally at key positions. It's not about just one player, even QB.I agree, but without elevating the most important position on the field, you are treading water.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 07:48:12 AMkat: I don't see it that way. I see Nabers as the final piece to the puzzle on offense. I'm assuming they already have the running backs they need to do the offense the way THEY want to do it, not the way the fans want to see them do it. The Giants will now be a pass-first (modern NFL?) offense, not the traditional type you and I favor. Give them a chance. It won't be "Giants' football" on offense... but hopefully it will be winning football. BobI don't see what you see in the QB s that's the issue. I've seen the QB for five years and it's not changed. Not to mention he will be limited to start the season on top of the vulnerability he has to injury. You can't win in this league without stellar QB play, top 15 won't cut it.