With Musk screwing up Twitter left and right, I figured it was time for BBH to hedge its bet. So you can now follow BBH on Mastodon (along with Facebook and Twitter)
https://mastodon.social/invite/o5g6Xwbq
I don't believe there is 100 percent agreement with the thought that Musk is "screwing up" Twitter.
As Tesla and SpaceX show, IMO, he is capable of accomplishing amazing things.
Cleaning up the supposed "mess" at Twitter is/was not easy, but he improved the bottom line (if nothing else).
Bob
PS. A few of us (including you) know how tough it is to decide how to run a site where freedom of expression is at a maximum while all the negative problems are minimized. Now... multiply our experience by a billion !!!
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 04, 2023, 09:42:18 AMI don't believe there is 100 percent agreement with the thought that Musk is "screwing up" Twitter.
As Tesla and SpaceX show, IMO, he is capable of accomplishing amazing things.
Cleaning up the supposed "mess" at Twitter is/was not easy, but he improved the bottom line (if nothing else).
Bob
PS. A few of us (including you) know how tough it is to decide how to run a site where freedom of expression is at a maximum while all the negative problems are minimized. Now... multiply our experience by a billion !!!
Sometimes I wonder how on earth people don't see what is really going on. Here is an excerpt from Barron's (which is owned by the right-wing News Corp)
Twitter generated $5.08 billion in revenue in 2021 at its peak level as a listed company, before Musk's takeover. Musk said last year that Twitter was on track to generate around $3 billion in revenue for 2023.https://www.barrons.com/articles/meta-threads-elon-musk-twitter-7c1f698a#:~:text=Twitter%20generated%20%245.08%20billion%20in,billion%20in%20revenue%20for%202023.
We live in an amazing world where taking revenues from $5 billion to $3 billion is considered genius.
Bob,
I you are interested in what is actually happening, you might check out this (and there are plenty more) article
No One Believes Elon Musk's Explanation For Breaking Twitter
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/07/02/no-one-believes-elon-musks-explanation-for-breaking-twitter/?sh=2c3d97263bff
https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1676227300730318848
Why isn't Twitter working? How Elon Musk finally broke his site – and why the internet might be about to get worseTwitter's problems are a part of a broader problem on the web – or at least Elon Musk would like people to see them that way, writes Andrew Griffinhttps://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-down-not-working-rate-limit-elon-musk-b2368617.html
Rich, just to be safe, shouldn't we also set up Rumble and Truth Social accounts? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: bighitterdalama on July 04, 2023, 11:26:54 AMRich, just to be safe, shouldn't we also set up Rumble and Truth Social accounts? Asking for a friend.
Brian: Wish I had thought of that... but you put it SO WELL!!! Bob
Rich: Nice try with the stats, but revenue generated is not the bottom line, although it is a valid point.
The payroll (hence, the expenses subtracted from the diminished revenues) is the "true and correct" measure, IMO.
And, by the way, I really don't care if he makes or loses money, just so long as he tries as hard as we do to treat everyone fairly.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 04, 2023, 04:24:35 PMRich: Nice try with the stats, but revenue generated is not the bottom line, although it is a valid point.
The payroll (hence, the expenses subtracted from the diminished revenues) is the "true and correct" measure, IMO.
And, by the way, I really don't care if he makes or loses money, just so long as he tries as hard as we do to treat everyone fairly.
Bob
I think it's pretty clear that he didn't buy Twitter to make money, or at least that making money is well down on his priority list.
I don't use Twitter (except to peep in on our site's account) but found this, and for what it's worth, here it is... it's from today, Wednesday, July 5....
Three days after Twitter owner Elon Musk told users it would temporarily limit how many tweets they can read to "address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation," the company is defending the move against criticism from users and advertisers.
CEO Linda Yaccarino pointed users Tuesday to an official corporate explanation as opposed to Musk's brief weekend tweet, which itself followed unexplained apparent outages reminiscent of Twitter's early days.
"To ensure the authenticity of our user base we must take extreme measures to remove spam and bots" as well as "other bad actors that are harming the platform," an unsigned statement on Twitter's business website says.
It could not tell good-faith users without first giving an opportunity to "bad actors to alter their behavior to evade detection," the statement says. It's working to keep the latter from "scraping people's public Twitter data to build AI models" and "manipulating people and conversation on the platform in various ways."
The change affects "a small percentage" of users and the effects on advertising have been "minimal," the company says. "At times, even for a brief moment, you must slow down to speed up." Yaccarino defended the measure as "big moves to keep strengthening the platform."
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 05, 2023, 07:20:14 AMI don't use Twitter (except to peep in on our site's account) but found this, and for what it's worth, here it is... it's from today, Wednesday, July 5....
Three days after Twitter owner Elon Musk told users it would temporarily limit how many tweets they can read to "address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation," the company is defending the move against criticism from users and advertisers.
CEO Linda Yaccarino pointed users Tuesday to an official corporate explanation as opposed to Musk's brief weekend tweet, which itself followed unexplained apparent outages reminiscent of Twitter's early days.
"To ensure the authenticity of our user base we must take extreme measures to remove spam and bots" as well as "other bad actors that are harming the platform," an unsigned statement on Twitter's business website says.
It could not tell good-faith users without first giving an opportunity to "bad actors to alter their behavior to evade detection," the statement says. It's working to keep the latter from "scraping people's public Twitter data to build AI models" and "manipulating people and conversation on the platform in various ways."
The change affects "a small percentage" of users and the effects on advertising have been "minimal," the company says. "At times, even for a brief moment, you must slow down to speed up." Yaccarino defended the measure as "big moves to keep strengthening the platform."
Quote"We've been hearing from creators and public figures who are interested in having a platform that is sanely run, that they believe that they can trust and rely upon for distribution," said Meta's chief product officer Chris Cox at an internal meeting in early June, reported The Verge at the time.
https://fortune.com/2023/07/04/meta-threads-instagram-app-thursday-mark-zuckerberg-twitter-elon-musk-rate-limits/
Rest assured BBH will have a Threads account as soon as possible.
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 05, 2023, 07:20:14 AMI don't use Twitter (except to peep in on our site's account) but found this, and for what it's worth, here it is... it's from today, Wednesday, July 5....
Three days after Twitter owner Elon Musk told users it would temporarily limit how many tweets they can read to "address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation," the company is defending the move against criticism from users and advertisers.
CEO Linda Yaccarino pointed users Tuesday to an official corporate explanation as opposed to Musk's brief weekend tweet, which itself followed unexplained apparent outages reminiscent of Twitter's early days.
"To ensure the authenticity of our user base we must take extreme measures to remove spam and bots" as well as "other bad actors that are harming the platform," an unsigned statement on Twitter's business website says.
It could not tell good-faith users without first giving an opportunity to "bad actors to alter their behavior to evade detection," the statement says. It's working to keep the latter from "scraping people's public Twitter data to build AI models" and "manipulating people and conversation on the platform in various ways."
The change affects "a small percentage" of users and the effects on advertising have been "minimal," the company says. "At times, even for a brief moment, you must slow down to speed up." Yaccarino defended the measure as "big moves to keep strengthening the platform."
I don't have a Twitter account, so when Elon put these new temporary rules in place I could no longer view a tweet by clicking on it when it was embedded on another site, like BBH. Non- Twitter members could not read tweets at their origin. I'm happy to report that this limitation has been lifted. For example, in the thread on gambling suspensions Rich posted some tweets, and if I clicked on one a few days ago all I got was a Twitter sign-up page. Now I get the actual tweet, and responses, on Twitter. So at least this restriction was pretty temporary - just a matter of a few days. I don't know if the limits on the number of tweets members and verified members can read have also been lifted, though I'd guess they have been.
I also note that Musk said he put these temporary limits in to stop having data scraped from tweets to fuel AI, while Zuckerburg just announced that every bit of data would scraped from posts on Thread to fuel AI. This is spelled out on the Threads app page of the apple app store which lists all of the different data they can collect and link to the users identity. So, very different visions for the 2 products. This is the real cage match.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/threads-an-instagram-app/id6446901002
https://gizmodo.com/google-says-itll-scrape-everything-you-post-online-for-1850601486
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 05, 2023, 09:53:09 PMI don't have a Twitter account, so when Elon put these new temporary rules in place I could no longer view a tweet by clicking on it when it was embedded on another site, like BBH. Non- Twitter members could not read tweets at their origin. I'm happy to report that this limitation has been lifted. For example, in the thread on gambling suspensions Rich posted some tweets, and if I clicked on one a few days ago all I got was a Twitter sign-up page. Now I get the actual tweet, and responses, on Twitter. So at least this restriction was pretty temporary - just a matter of a few days. I don't know if the limits on the number of tweets members and verified members can read have also been lifted, though I'd guess they have been.
I also note that Musk said he put these temporary limits in to stop having data scraped from tweets to fuel AI, while Zuckerburg just announced that every bit of data would scraped from posts on Thread to fuel AI. This is spelled out on the Threads app page of the apple app store which lists all of the different data they can collect and link to the users identity. So, very different visions for the 2 products. This is the real cage match.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/threads-an-instagram-app/id6446901002
https://gizmodo.com/google-says-itll-scrape-everything-you-post-online-for-1850601486
Rich,
Thing to remember is that Al scraping data doesn't harm the users and has negligible impact on the platform. The reason Musk didn't like the scraping is that he feels that data has value and he should be paid for it. The odd part is that Musk isn't creating his content. So it's not like he really owns the data.
I think Musk backed off on the need to be logged in to view Twitter is because of Google. Google delisted Twitter since it's bots could no longer crawl Twitter.
Bob, previously claimed incorrectly that Twitter was a mess. The reality was it was well run and well moderated prior to Musk. Advertisers and celebratities, and people of note want a stable responsibly run platform. That is the opposite of what Musk has provided. He has counted on the effective monopoly that Twitter is in terms of text based rather than picture /video based social media. Facebook's Threads if a solid offering could overtake Twitter in time.
Here is an article talking about the Threads experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/06/we-tried-threads-metas-new-twitter-rival-heres-what-happened
EDIT TO ADD- for some reason, Threads doesn't have a desktop/web browser version. That will limit my adoption of the technology. While I certainly use phone-based apps, I don't like being forced to use them exclusively.
EDIT TO ADD- I am seeing quite a few NYG content creators getting their Threads account
This was just posted, it looks like Threads is going to have legs
(https://i.redd.it/kbb75dolzcab1.png)
Not an admirable person, IMO.
Still not sure he was blameless in alleged "theft" of the Facebook idea from the twins (Harvard classmates).
Just IMO, but he comes off as someone whom I don't mind NOT knowing personally (and I get a "sneak" vibe too).
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 06, 2023, 12:54:03 PMNot an admirable person, IMO.
Still not sure he was blameless in alleged "theft" of the Facebook idea from the twins (Harvard classmates).
Just IMO, but he comes off as someone whom I don't mind NOT knowing personally (and I get a "sneak" vibe too).
Bob
Bob,
Zuckerberg is hardly a saint, but he begins to look like one when you compare him to Musk.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 06, 2023, 08:16:49 AMRich,
Thing to remember is that Al scraping data doesn't harm the users and has negligible impact on the platform. The reason Musk didn't like the scraping is that he feels that data has value and he should be paid for it. The odd part is that Musk isn't creating his content. So it's not like he really owns the data.
Bob, previously claimed incorrectly that Twitter was a mess. The reality was it was well run and well moderated prior to Musk. Advertisers and celebratities, and people of note want a stable responsibly run platform. That is the opposite of what Musk has provided. He has counted on the effective monopoly that Twitter is in terms of text based rather than picture /video based social media. Facebook's Threads if a solid offering could overtake Twitter in time.
To your first point this is right out of the description of the Threads app on Apples app store:
QuoteThe following data may be collected and linked to your identity:
Health & Fitness
Purchases
Financial Info
Location
Contact Info
Contacts
User Content
Search History
Browsing History
Identifiers
Usage Data
Sensitive Info
Diagnostics
Other Data
I don't want Zuckerburg & Co. to have all this data about me.
And to your second point, I've read the Twitter files so I cannot agree with your contention that it was well moderated, and I'll just leave that there, because going further gets dangerously close to political.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 06, 2023, 12:57:29 PMBob,
Zuckerberg is hardly a saint, but he begins to look like one when you compare him to Musk.
One guy's given us electric cars and space ships and the other guy's given us destructive, in my opinion, social media so I would have to disagree with your assessment.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 06, 2023, 01:24:04 PMOne guy's given us electric cars and space ships and the other guy's given us destructive, in my opinion, social media so I would have to disagree with your assessment.
Did you get a spaceship? Where is my free electric car?
If you want to talk destructive, Tesla's autopilot software has caused a total of 17 fatalities and 736 crashes since 2019.
I guess where you and Bob differ from me is that I don't think Musk's buying Twitter and screwing over the employees, vendors, and users, along with making Twitter the social media platform of choice for disinformation and hate speech (with Musk contributing to the hate speech) are acts that make him a man to admire.
So yeah, we are going to disagree.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 06, 2023, 01:33:26 PM... I don't think Musk's buying Twitter and screwing over the employees...
"screwing over" employees and failing to retain useless or redundant employees are not the same thing. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 06, 2023, 03:33:02 PM"screwing over" employees and failing to retain useless or redundant employees are not the same thing. Bob
How did you determine this?
In fairness, he is but a single example (there are plenty) of Musk screwing over his employees
https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/26/twitter-employees-sue-twitter-after-the-bonuses-they-were-promised-if-they-stuck-around-were-not-given/
This discussion has turned political. Something we are not about. And it is devolving into mud slinging which serves no purpose. Can we just let it go without having to lock the thread? I will let y'all decide on that.
Here is a factual statement. Twitter is now worth only about $15 billion or a third of the $44 billion Musk paid for it. For a company with stabilized earnings that is horrible management to have done so in such a short period of time.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 06, 2023, 09:02:08 PMHere is a factual statement. Twitter is now worth only about $15 billion or a third of the $44 billion Musk paid for it. For a company with stabilized earnings that is horrible management to have done so in such a short period of time.
Phil: The obligations of a publicly-traded company versus a privately-owned company are completely different. There are duties (to make money) applicable to public companies that simply don't exist in private firms. Musk's point all along has been that Twitter was operating under the "pressure" of having to maximize profits that resulted in them operating the company in a manner Musk saw as "unfair" (whatever that might mean to him). As a private company, Musk is free to focus on his idealized (Utopian?) goal of a "worldwide communication facility" without regard to making a buck. Bob
Because this thread isn't remotely related to football (or any other sport), but does have underling political overtones, I think it best to move it over to The Front Porch. Civil discussion can continue on that venue.
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 07, 2023, 09:30:21 AMPhil: The obligations of a publicly-traded company versus a privately-owned company are completely different. There are duties (to make money) applicable to public companies that simply don't exist in private firms. Musk's point all along has been that Twitter was operating under the "pressure" of having to maximize profits that resulted in them operating the company in a manner Musk saw as "unfair" (whatever that might mean to him). As a private company, Musk is free to focus on his idealized (Utopian?) goal of a "worldwide communication facility" without regard to making a buck. Bob
Bob - I understand that he is free to do what he wants now that it is a private company. My point is that Twitter was doing very well as a company and had a particular niche within social media that allowed it to dominate. Musk is free to do what he wants but to lose so much value by destroying the foundation of the company does not seem like a smart move by a business man.
It would have been cheaper for him to build his own utopian social media platform. Musk is more of a builder than operator IMHO.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 07, 2023, 01:03:24 PMIt would have been cheaper for him to build his own utopian social media platform.
Phil: If I were certain of the correctness of that statement I'd readily agree. I don't know.
But consider the possibility he had other motives, one of which I'm certain I know. He sought to remedy what (to him) appeared to be an "unfair" (according to him) platform that was (in his view) unworthy of dominating the space it filled inasmuch as he is an unabashed "free speech" advocate and opposed to censorship. He noticed (as I did) that there was a problem with the way Twitter handled "great vaccine debate" we witnesses recently. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 07, 2023, 09:30:21 AMMusk is free to focus on his idealized (Utopian?) goal of a "worldwide communication facility" without regard to making a buck. Bob
I think the majority of people would describe what Musk has done and strived for as dystopian not Utopian.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 07, 2023, 01:03:24 PMIt would have been cheaper for him to build his own utopian social media platform. Musk is more of a builder than operator IMHO.
The problem would be that it would just be another version of the ironically named "Truth" social. Like "Truth" Social, not many people would join. Instead, he used his vast wealth to buy an extremely well-run (and fairly run) Twitter, ruining the experience for long-time users. (who, until Threads, had no alternative but to suffer under Musk draconian dictatorial rule).
What other previous wealthiest person in the world spends so much time offering up his opinion in the media? Buffett, Gates, Arnault, Getty, etc never did. People with a desire to seek a camera or microphone are IMHO flawed human beings.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 07, 2023, 02:39:27 PMWhat other previous wealthiest person in the world spends so much time offering up his opinion in the media? Buffett, Gates, Arnault, Getty, etc never did. People with a desire to seek a camera or microphone are IMHO flawed human beings.
Phil: I don't think anyone here views Musk as flawless. We've all been "around" too long for that. LOL
Musk gets kicked around for all of the reasons discussed, and fair enough, but the reality is that a lot of these guys are flawed. For example, people like to put Gates up on a pedestal but he's not some saint either. He cheated on his wife relentlessly and did god knows what in all his close personal associations and extensive dealings with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted serial child rapist. If we are going after billionaires for less than savory behavior, he hardly deserves any sort of pass.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 07, 2023, 03:40:28 PMMusk gets kicked around for all of the reasons discussed, and fair enough, but the reality is that a lot of these guys are flawed. For example, people like to put Gates up on a pedestal but he's not some saint either. He cheated on his wife relentlessly and did god knows what in all his close personal associations and extensive dealings with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted serial child rapist. If we are going after billionaires for less than savory behavior, he hardly deserves any sort of pass.
100% true. Was only comparing based on love of media attention.
What anyone does privately is up to them. I'm just dont want to see them always in the news.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 07, 2023, 05:27:48 PM100% true. Was only comparing based on love of media attention.
What anyone does privately is up to them. I'm just dont want to see them always in the news.
Understood - fair enough.
Frankly I don't understand the desire for constant attention, particularly if you have that kind of wealth. If you have that kind of wealth you're going to have a hard time avoiding attention as it is. You'll have all kinds of people wanting to get in front of you, talk to you, propose things to you, invite you to all kinds of events etc. It's hard to imagine actively wanting more than that. Knowing myself, on this particular issue if I were in that position my efforts would be towards shunning as much as possible the constant attention rather than pursuing it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 07, 2023, 03:40:28 PMMusk gets kicked around for all of the reasons discussed, and fair enough, but the reality is that a lot of these guys are flawed. For example, people like to put Gates up on a pedestal but he's not some saint either. He cheated on his wife relentlessly and did god knows what in all his close personal associations and extensive dealings with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted serial child rapist. If we are going after billionaires for less than savory behavior, he hardly deserves any sort of pass.
Musk gets "kicked around" because he is an evil, dishonest man. Remember when he falsely accused one of the rescuers of the boys trapped in the cave of being a pedophile?
(https://preview.redd.it/hcmbhtpg9lab1.jpg?width=695&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=b76aa35588d7d583563b3ce3bb176e16a6c55ca6)
Thanks for setting up the mastodon account. I haven't been on twitter for a long time, even before Musk took over. I've never liked how discussions become over there. And I believe in open source software so support it where I can.
I have to figure out how to get BBH onto Threads:
Instagram Threads hits 100 million users, becoming easily the fastest growing app ever
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/instagram-threads-twitter-users-elon-musk-million-b2372336.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Rich,
Have you considered personally boycotting Twitter due to your stance on Musk?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 10, 2023, 09:42:06 AMRich,
Have you considered personally boycotting Twitter due to your stance on Musk?
Sadly, my Twitter usage is tied to BBH. Ethically, that puts me in a bind. Twitter (until Musk completely destroys it) still benefits BBH. So it comes down to boycotting Musk because I find the man evil and offensive and harm BBH or participate in Twitter for the good of BBH.
It was an ethical dilemma and one with no clear-cut solution. So I took the pragmatic approach. As the founder of BBH, I feel an ethical obligation to do what is best for the forum. On the other side, I don't think the world's richest man is impacted by my $8 a month for a blue check mark, and the traffic we may generate doesn't impact Twitter way. So until Musk completely destroys Twitter, I am holding my nose and doing what's best for the forum (even if it goes against my personal ethical and moral code).
It's pretty frustrating that an evil man like Musk became rich enough that he could harm me (by purchasing Twitter). Doesn't seem right or fair, but it is what it is.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 10, 2023, 10:04:45 AMSadly, my Twitter usage is tied to BBH. Ethically, that puts me in a bind. Twitter (until Musk completely destroys it) still benefits BBH. So it comes down to boycotting Musk because I find the man evil and offensive and harm BBH or participate in Twitter for the good of BBH.
It was an ethical dilemma and one with no clear-cut solution. So I took the pragmatic approach. As the founder of BBH, I feel an ethical obligation to do what is best for the forum. On the other side, I don't think the world's richest man is impacted by my $8 a month for a blue check mark, and the traffic we may generate doesn't impact Twitter way. So until Musk completely destroys Twitter, I am holding my nose and doing what's best for the forum (even if it goes against my personal ethical and moral code).
It's pretty frustrating that an evil man like Musk became rich enough that he could harm me (by purchasing Twitter). Doesn't seem right or fair, but it is what it is.
I think I've about had enough of the useless, endless, pointless, meritless bashing of one guy.
I may soon have no choice but to "put aside MY ethical principles" /sarcasm/ and begin deleting any repetitive portions of posts in this (or similar) threads.
Brian has already issued a warning... loud and clear.
Bob
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 10, 2023, 10:04:45 AMSadly, my Twitter usage is tied to BBH. Ethically, that puts me in a bind. Twitter (until Musk completely destroys it) still benefits BBH. So it comes down to boycotting Musk because I find the man evil and offensive and harm BBH or participate in Twitter for the good of BBH.
It was an ethical dilemma and one with no clear-cut solution. So I took the pragmatic approach. As the founder of BBH, I feel an ethical obligation to do what is best for the forum. On the other side, I don't think the world's richest man is impacted by my $8 a month for a blue check mark, and the traffic we may generate doesn't impact Twitter way. So until Musk completely destroys Twitter, I am holding my nose and doing what's best for the forum (even if it goes against my personal ethical and moral code).
It's pretty frustrating that an evil man like Musk became rich enough that he could harm me (by purchasing Twitter). Doesn't seem right or fair, but it is what it is.
You reasoning around staying on board, despite your stance, seems pragmatic and sensible. Was just curious how you approached that dilemma.
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 10, 2023, 10:13:28 AMI think I've about had enough of the useless, endless, pointless, meritless bashing of one guy.
I may soon have no choice but to "put aside MY ethical principles" /sarcasm/ and begin deleting any repetitive portions of posts in this (or similar) threads.
Brian has already issued a warning... loud and clear.
Bob
Bob,
FWIW (and I realize I am just one person and others may feel very differently), disagreeing about Elon Musk doesn't seem like a subject that, by itself, should be that offensive. I don't feel the same way Rich does, but it's not like anyone is attacking each other or being disrespectful or uncivil. Frankly, I have seen way more of that in the football threads in the past 48 hours than I have in this thread.
I get that any subject that veers into even a vague political arena is not ideal here, so fair enough if all of this gets locked up, but so far I don't see any posts that are put-downs of others or attacking people in any way. People seem to be stating their views, providing rationale, and not really putting others down. Is a difference of opinion between members, by itself, offensive?
Again - I am not trying to be provocative here in any way. I totally understand if you and other admins want to end/lock it. I will lose zero sleep over that. But twitter/threads/mastodon seem topical, and there is literally nothing going on in football right now, so I just thought I'd ask.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 10, 2023, 10:24:58 AMAgain - I am not trying to be provocative here in any way. I totally understand if you and other admins want to end/lock it.
DB: In fact, we DO NOT want to end/lock it, which is the reason for the various warnings.
In this case, however, and speaking only for myself, the point is "too much repetition."
I get it. Some people REALLY dislike Elon Musk. I don't care a whit. LOL
Bob
Interesting
Twitter traffic is 'tanking' as Meta's Threads hits 100 million users
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/10/twitter-traffic-is-nosediving-as-metas-threads-hits-100-million-users.html
Elon has changed twitters name to X or at least he's trying to. He so desperately wants to turn Twitter into Wechat that it is killing him. Zuckerberg already tried to do that and failed in the US with Facebook. It only worked in smaller countries.
I like Threads. It could take Twitter down and Twitter may wind up with the vile content as its base.
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 24, 2023, 08:32:31 AMI like Threads. It could take Twitter down and Twitter may wind up with the vile content as its base.
That's all that twitter is now, bots, only fans models, angry little boys, and hate mobs.