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Title: New "Rumors"
Post by: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 08:18:00 PM
https://youtu.be/dMMLisoAMJA?si=KF_UBHw7GCtc7AQJ

Had to post this because BBI was referenced as the source for a message thread from an insider for ChatSports Giants and thought it was funny.

Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 08:52:16 AM
Ha Ha listening to that is why I simply don't listen to podcasts.  To hear one person talk so much are like fingernails on a blackboard.  No news, just an opinion.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 08:56:12 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 08:52:16 AMHa Ha listening to that is why I simply don't listen to podcasts.  To hear one person talk so much are like fingernails on a blackboard.  No news, just an opinion.

LOL - Very true, Joe.  This appears to filmed from his mom's basement. 
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Hadron on April 24, 2024, 08:57:05 AM
I always forget BBI is still around.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 08:18:00 PMhttps://youtu.be/dMMLisoAMJA?si=KF_UBHw7GCtc7AQJ

Had to post this because BBI was referenced as the source for a message thread from an insider for ChatSports Giants and thought it was funny.



A commentary like this reminds me of a slightly modified old quote-  Draft rumors are like buttholes.  Everyone has one, and they usually stink.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 08:56:12 AMLOL - Very true, Joe.  This appears to filmed from his mom's basement. 

Brother - Our society has devolved into a need for hearing opinions instead of news.  Ugh!!!!
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 08:52:16 AMHa Ha listening to that is why I simply don't listen to podcasts.  To hear one person talk so much are like fingernails on a blackboard.  No news, just an opinion.

Joe,

In fairness, there is a goldmine of great information available via Podcasts.  You just need to know the ones worth listening to. 

Here are some of the ones I like to listen to:

Ones involving former NFL

GM Shuffle with former GM Mike Lombardi
Russ Tucker Football Podcast with former player Ross Tucker
The Athletic's Football Podcast with former GM Randy Mueller
Simms Complete with Phil Simms and his son Matt
Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Bleav in Giants with Carl Banks

Podcasts of Giants Beat Writers

Locked on Giants with Pat Traina
Blue Rush with Paul Schwartz
Breaking Big Blue with Jordan Raanan
All In with Art Stapleton
Talking Ball with Pat Leonard
Giants Insider with Chris Biz

Podcast of mega Giants fans (fans that know the Xs and Os)

Talkin Giants with Bobby Skinner and Jason Pennick
Big Blue Banter Podcast with Nick and Dan
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:09:46 AMJoe,

In fairness, there is a goldmine of great information available via Podcasts.  You just need to know the ones worth listening to. 

Here are some of the ones I like to listen to:

Ones involving former NFL

GM Shuffle with former GM Mike Lombardi
Russ Tucker Football Podcast with former player Ross Tucker
The Athletic's Football Podcast with former GM Randy Mueller
Simms Complete with Phil Simms and his son Matt
Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Bleav in Giants with Carl Banks

Podcasts of Giants Beat Writers

Locked on Giants with Pat Traina
Blue Rush with Paul Schwartz
Breaking Big Blue with Jordan Raanan
All In with Art Stapleton
Talking Ball with Pat Leonard
Giants Insider with Chris Biz

Podcast of mega Giants fans (fans that know the Xs and Os)

Talkin Giants with Bobby Skinner and Jason Pennick
Big Blue Banter Podcast with Nick and Dan

Thanks Rich for the list.  I know for example that the podcast by the Freakonomics guys is very good.  My problem is that I just simply can't hear a monologue for so long especially when the hosts "insert" their personality into the conversation in the hope of making it more colorful.

My father had a great quote which he seared into his us which was "you have one mouth and two ears and you should use them in that proportion."
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 09:16:28 AMThanks Rich for the list.  I know for example that the podcast by the Freakonomics guys is very good.  My problem is that I just simply can't hear a monologue for so long especially when the hosts "insert" their personality into the conversation in the hope of making it more colorful.

My father had a great quote which he seared into his us which was "you have one mouth and two ears and you should use them in that proportion."

Your point about monologues appears to be a good one as most of these podcasts have co-hosts (and it's not uncommon to have guests).  By having two hosts they can play off one another and eliminate your issues that come with a lone host.

In fact, the only ones on my list with a single host are:

Ross Tucker (he does have frequent guests)
Traina
Raanan
Stapleton
Leonard

All the others on my list have at least two hosts

Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 09:23:53 AM
He does tequila shots during games as dares for superchat dollars. I think he's classic click bait.  :boooo:
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 09:00:05 AMBrother - Our society has devolved into a need for hearing opinions instead of news.  Ugh!!!!

Indeed!  Why work when you can just sit in your moms basement and produce endless content all day?  We're just products from a different generation, Joe.   
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 09:31:41 AMIndeed!  Why work when you can just sit in your moms basement and produce endless content all day?  We're just products from a different generation, Joe.   

On a related note, a coworker attended a meeting of a town's high school's best and brightest students (the mayor hosted it).   When she returned, she shared with me that there weren't students wishing to become doctors and the like among the group. Still, many had career aspirations of being social media influencers.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 09:39:07 AM
Still think Maye is going to the Pats. Schoen has to get an elite wr threat, which is both smart and sensible.

Maye means trading up..losing our #2 and next year's #1 at least. That's a big swing. And there no reason to believe that couldn't be bested by another team.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:37:03 AMOn a related note, a coworker attended a meeting of a town's high school's best and brightest students (the mayor hosted it).  When she returned, she shared with me that there weren't students wishing to become doctors and the like among the group. Still, many had career aspirations of being social media influencers.

That comports with my interactions with young people.  My oldest son graduated with a double-major in electrical and mechanical engineering; this is great because he'll be supporting my youngest, who desperately wants to be a social media influencer (focusing on video games).  It's up to the middle son to determine if we're good parents or not  ;)   
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: katkavage on April 24, 2024, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 09:39:07 AMStill think Maye is going to the Pats. Schoen has to get an elite wr threat, which is both smart and sensible.

Maye means trading up..losing our #2 and next year's #1 at least. That's a big swing. And there no reason to believe that couldn't be bested by another team.
Don't know what the Pats think. I don't see Denver giving up so many picks to get to three. Minnesota really is ideal for Penix. He would thrive there. Maye needs time to learn and get better. He fits better with the Giants or Pat who will not win next year. The Vikings can compete next year but not if they take a QB who needs to grow. McCarthy as well. I think either McCarthy or Maye are good fits for both the Giants and Pats.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:52:51 AM
Quote from: katkavage on April 24, 2024, 09:50:46 AMDon't know what the Pats think. I don't see Denver giving up so many picks to get to three. Minnesota really is ideal for Penix. He would thrive there. Maye needs time to learn and get better. He fits better with the Giants or Pat who will not win next year. The Vikings can compete next year but not if they take a QB who needs to grow. McCarthy as well. I think either McCarthy or Maye are good fits for both the Giants and Pats.


https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1783129771527881055
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Trench on April 24, 2024, 09:57:43 AM
Someone should do a study on the % of time our beat writers have been totally wrong over the years. Old school reporting is rare these days. Click bait and talking points is the name of the game
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: katkavage on April 24, 2024, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 09:52:51 AMhttps://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1783129771527881055
Falcons Penix makes little sense. An older rookie who won't play as long as Cousins is under contract and healthy. Don't see it when they have other needs where there are players that can help them compete immediately.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Rosehill Jimmy on April 24, 2024, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 08:57:32 AMA commentary like this reminds me of a slightly modified old quote-  Draft rumors are like buttholes.  Everyone has one, and they usually stink.

The last part of that quote is "...and they all stink except your own "
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
In terms of action, it's poker guesswork. I know how this is also stupid season when qbs are involved (see the heralded 49ers Trey Lance debacle).

We don't know what will happen and have owners egos at play..too. But we're fans of the game. It's okay to speculate. Fun.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 10:42:04 AM
Art Stapleton swung this trade in his final mock

Giants get: Pick No. 3 and a 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 137)
Patriots get: Pick No 6, 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 107), 2025 first-round pick, 2025 third-round pick, wide receiver Darius Slayton

I think for a franchise qb that's super cheap.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 10:42:04 AMArt Stapleton swung this trade in his final mock

Giants get: Pick No. 3 and a 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 137)
Patriots get: Pick No 6, 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 107), 2025 first-round pick, 2025 third-round pick, wide receiver Darius Slayton

I think for a franchise qb that's super cheap.

Technically that would be the price of a potential franchise QB
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Trench on April 24, 2024, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 10:42:04 AMArt Stapleton swung this trade in his final mock

Giants get: Pick No. 3 and a 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 137)
Patriots get: Pick No 6, 2024 fourth-round pick (No. 107), 2025 first-round pick, 2025 third-round pick, wide receiver Darius Slayton

I think for a franchise qb that's super cheap.

Too much
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Painter on April 24, 2024, 10:59:34 AM
We ought to know by now that people believe what they want to believe and as such will seek out whatever supports it. In the history of the world, has that ever been more obvious and pervasive than it is today? Pervasive not to be confused persuasive.

Wanting and needing to be an influencer on whatever subject can be a first step on a road to NPD of which we have become witness to its most extreme personification.

Yeah! I know. That's altogether gloomy and cynical and may not seem appropriate to the topic. But we should at least recognize that picking, choosing, and promoting is by any other name, sorry to say, propaganda.

Cheers!
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 11:07:21 AM
That's about right, Rich. Not cheap. Seems similar to the Eli trade, no?

Would you do it? Yipes.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 11:16:27 AM
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 11:07:21 AMThat's about right, Rich. Not cheap. Seems similar to the Eli trade, no?

Would you do it? Yipes.

I wouldn't because the trade would leave the Giants in a position where they couldn't surround the QB with the needed talent
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: Trench on April 24, 2024, 10:58:51 AMToo much

It's basically 2 1sts and Slayton, that's about as cheap as it gets for a franchise altering player
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: Trench on April 24, 2024, 11:36:06 AM
I strongly disagree about not having talent. WanDale, Hyatt, Slayton, Waller, even Bellinger had a very good rookie year.

With that said, I think it's almost a guarantee we go QB because it gives Schoen/Daboll a few more years of breathing room ...should expect a QB unless Harrison is there somehow
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Trench on April 24, 2024, 11:36:06 AMI strongly disagree about not having talent. WanDale, Hyatt, Slayton, Waller, even Bellinger had a very good rookie year.

With that said, I think it's almost a guarantee we go QB because it gives Schoen/Daboll a few more years of breathing room ...should expect a QB unless Harrison is there somehow

The job survival argument is one I really don't hope happens. No question..it will work for maybe 2 years..but that qb better move the needle big time.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 11:48:47 AM
I keep hearing the unsubstantiated claims that Mara "is meddling"  Apparently even John Mara has heard them:


"They knew my feelings that I was hoping it didn't come to this, but again, at the end of the day I know sometimes every once in a while I read that — 'Oh, he's meddling, he's meddling,'" the NYG co-owner acknowledged candidly. Reacting: "No, we've run our organization the same way for many, many years. If the head coach and general manager have a conviction about a player or a group of players, I'm going to let them go ahead and make those decisions."

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/john-mara-saquon-barkley-eagles-meddling/
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: AZGiantFan on April 24, 2024, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 09:42:39 AMThat comports with my interactions with young people.  My oldest son graduated with a double-major in electrical and mechanical engineering; this is great because he'll be supporting my youngest, who desperately wants to be a social media influencer (focusing on video games).  It's up to the middle son to determine if we're good parents or not  ;)   

I get the part about wanting to be an influencer, it's basically being a con man.  What I don't get are why the influencees are influenced by the influencers.
Title: Re: New "Rumors"
Post by: AZGiantFan on April 24, 2024, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Trench on April 24, 2024, 11:36:06 AMI strongly disagree about not having talent. WanDale, Hyatt, Slayton, Waller, even Bellinger had a very good rookie year.


But none of those guys play OL and for me, until we see differently on the field, they are still the elephant in the room.