Big Blue Huddle

Hopefully this will end all of the "Plaxico Back to Giants" talk.   

Quote from: vette on April 29, 2011, 10:36:16 PM
Jernigan could bring Wildcat to Giants
BY HANK GOLA
At 5-8, 181, third round pick Jerrel Jernigan is going to have to make it on speed and quickness, which he has in abundance. A high school quarterback, Jernigancan thrown the option pass, run it and catch it. He'll also be tried as a return man.
If he works out, you could see the Wildcat in the game plan.

I guess I'm one of those guys that let the professionals do their job, especially when I know I can't do any better. Reese was brought on by EA because he (Reese) is a very good scout. Giants management saw fit to make Reese the GM. I'm not here to second guess anyone. But Reese is the GM and until he royally screws up a draft (which he hasn't to this point) then I'm still in his corner.

Quote from: zephirus on April 13, 2011, 03:47:17 PM

Quote from: T200 on April 13, 2011, 03:21:34 PM

Quote from: zephirus on April 13, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
"While at that team, she was the subject of harassment.  She chose not to report that harassment and never made a single complaint to anyone, other than talking to her friends about her life. "

This is the biggest key of all for me.  If we are going to take sexual harassment seriously it HAS TO BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.  Anything less means that the attention was, at best, welcome or warranted, and at worst, ignored.  Unless it is made clear that the actions taken are offensive, the "victim" loses all credibility.  Favre is culpable for harassment.  Sterger is equally culpable for not reporting it.  

I don't hold her accountable for the situation just because she didn't report the harassment.  Consider that the incident with Inez Sainz was still fresh, Sterger clearly didn't want that kind of scrutiny heaped on her.  Let's face it, when it comes to sexual harassment/rape, more often than not, it's the victimized woman who is put on trial, not the offender. The woman has to defend her actions before the light is cast on the perpetrator.  How is that just?

Mike/T200,

I'm not suggesting that Sterger's refusal to quickly report the harassment in any way condones Favres behavior.  Nor am I suggesting that Favre's actions weren't disgusting.  I'm not even suggesting that her failure to report it makes his behavior warranted.  I'm simply suggesting that if she had reported this quickly and quietly, it would not have garnered the media frenzy that happened later as a result of her waiting.  She probably could have even made the report anonymously.  I totally agree that most women that are victimized by harassment are reluctant to step forward because of the scrutiny it will place on them, but I think it's a terribly weak excuse.  I have a hard time believing an employer would fire a female who reported sexual harassment, usually they are more than accomodating to make sure that the behavior doesn't continue (possibly by firing the perpetrator), and that male colleagues are made aware of what is and isn't acceptable.  I think not reporting it sends one of two messages.  One is that the contact/behavior is ok.  Two is that the texts (in this case) were being ignored.  Neither sends a distinct message to stop.  There was also rumors that Sterger sent a text saying "If that is you in the picture you have a reason to smile", in reference to a picture of Favre's manhood.  If true, it totally undermines her credibility that the contact was unwarranted. 

I think most self respecting females who are made uncomfortable at work by sexual harassment report it immediately.  Until females see it as the best option, this will only be cyclical.

Zeph,

So you're saying that if Jenn had reported the harassment quietly that it would not have garnered the media attention? Think about it for a minute: an anonymous woman claims Brett Fav-ruh harassed her. You don't think that would get leaked to the media?

As far as a woman getting fired, companies are savvy enough not to fire someone for reporting harassment.  They can be sued for reprisal.  However, what they can do is make the job situation so untenable that the woman would eventually quit on her own.  Not saying that all companies do that, but some indeed do.  There's a stigma attached to snitches.  Nobody likes 'em.  More often than not, women who are harassed/raped are not perceived to be the victim.  Instead they are the instigator by dressing provocatively, showing their skin off to a bunch of testosterone-filled jocks.  In the eyes of many, they get what they're looking for.  Unfortunately, the guys see the tight jeans as an invitation to cross the line.  It simply isn't.

Let's say Lucy Pinder, out of nowhere, walks up to you, flashes her goodies in your face, and you comment, "Wow, VERY NICE!"  Does that mean the contact was warranted, simply because you complimented her assets without an iota of contact prior?

Quote from: zephirus on April 13, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
"While at that team, she was the subject of harassment.  She chose not to report that harassment and never made a single complaint to anyone, other than talking to her friends about her life. "

This is the biggest key of all for me.  If we are going to take sexual harassment seriously it HAS TO BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.  Anything less means that the attention was, at best, welcome or warranted, and at worst, ignored.  Unless it is made clear that the actions taken are offensive, the "victim" loses all credibility.  Favre is culpable for harassment.  Sterger is equally culpable for not reporting it.  

I don't hold her accountable for the situation just because she didn't report the harassment.  Consider that the incident with Inez Sainz was still fresh, Sterger clearly didn't want that kind of scrutiny heaped on her.  Let's face it, when it comes to sexual harassment/rape, more often than not, it's the victimized woman who is put on trial, not the offender. The woman has to defend her actions before the light is cast on the perpetrator.  How is that just?

I'm all for it as well.

I absolutely LOVE that avatar!!!  Cracks me up whenever I see it!   "That's my quarterback!"   

Welcome to the board Wolverine!  It's a great group - hope you'll stay and contribute.  The more, the merrier! 

Welcome to the family, IrishBlue!  Sorry the London game wasn't more exciting.  Hopefully when you do visit for a game, it will be one for the ages - with the Giants winning, of course! 

I understand what you mean McG.  The Bills had the ball and it was basically all in their hands to either win it or lose it.  They lost it.  But, the other side to that is that it was the Giants that put themselves in the lead based on their own performance and subsequently putting Buffalo in the position of having to pull out a victory.  Considering the Giants were heavy underdogs to the K-Gun, Run-n-Shoot, No-Huddle offense - they did just as much to win it.

The TOP (40:21) has a chance to stand for quite some time.

This game lets me know that the Pats can be beat in the SB with the right type of ball-control offense and stout defense.  Buffalo had very similar weapons as the Pats do now, but they also had a much stronger and dynamic running game because of Thurman Thomas.  Defensively, what was key for the Giants was laying the wood on Andre Reed everytime he crossed the middle.  Oh man did they EVER hammer that dude!!!   

Giants had the ball for 40+ minutes, effectively keeping Jim Kelly's K-Gun offense cold and on the shelf.  When they did get on the field, they couldn't get into a rhythm and get comfortable.  With some tweaks, we could do the same thing to NE in Week 17.  No doubt in my mind.

I guess those fertility pills work on men too!   

Quote from: kingm56 on September 07, 2007, 11:54:30 PM
1) I'm currently living in Iraq, but grew up in Bangor, Maine. My family and I will be moving to Virginia in early November (Redskins country, God save me!)

2)  I've been a fan since the early 80s.  My dad taught me three important things; Love the Giants, Worship the Red Soxs, and hate the Yankees (sorry guys). 

3)  I'm currently assigned to a Combat Communication Squadron in the USAF.

4)  I have a wonderful son whom I love spending time with.

KingM - I also want to pass along my thanks and wishes for your safety.  I was a comm troop (3C0) until about 6 years ago.

GO GIANTS!!!

1)  What part of the Country do you live in?
Also a resident of Dela-Where???

2)  How long have you been a Giants fan?
Since the early 80's.

3)  What do you do for a living?
Network Engineer.

4)  Anything else you would like to mention about yourself?
Second place is the first loser...