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I voted 4, largely driven by the first three round selections where need met value. I am especially excited about Nabers.

I went with a very good draft. The first four picks were used to add starters. Nabers, Burns and Nubin will be instant impact players, Phillips could be one down the road. The rest of the picks were meh.

I voted with the majority (so far). Solid draft. No obvious question-marks or lemons that I can see.

I do watch a lot of college ball and am very familiar with all but one of our picks (the last one).

As for those I know about... they're each people on whom IMO it's well worth taking a chance. Money well spent.

Bob

I went with average.

We are a way below average team that has generally had way below average drafts, so average is good for us right now. I'll need to see it to believe it for me to think this draft was better than average. I have plenty of confidence that Nabers will be a very good player, but any of us could have made that pick. The real measure will be all the other picks.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2024, 04:55:59 PMI went with average.

We are a way below average team that has generally had way below average drafts, so average is good for us right now. I'll need to see it to believe it for me to think this draft was better than average. I have plenty of confidence that Nabers will be a very good player, but any of us could have made that pick. The real measure will be all the other picks.

Spot on Dave.

I voted 2. Didn't go with 1 to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Not addressing the lines was a mistake imo.
If the FA pick ups were good enough to fix the O line and also strengthen the defense against the run up the middle, then this could get a better grade. I don't see it though.
We'll see soon.

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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2024, 04:55:59 PMI went with average.

We are a way below average team that has generally had way below average drafts, so average is good for us right now. I'll need to see it to believe it for me to think this draft was better than average. I have plenty of confidence that Nabers will be a very good player, but any of us could have made that pick. The real measure will be all the other picks.

Just a question here. What would have had to happen to make it outstanding?

I'm confused? Did we not address Dline and Oline the past several drafts and significantly in FA this offseason? I know people want instant gratification these days but we gotta let guys develop and actually field a team besides the oline and dline... yea we need a DT but we likely have one of the best front 7s in football on paper, so should we really have neglected the secondary for a run stuffing DT?

Why do we need a guard? We signed 4 to go with a couple we had already and so we have 6 guards... why do we need more?

No way on planet earth is an organization giving up on a top 10 tackle after 20 games... so a little unrealistic especially when we have a great RT flex we just signed, and could still sign Tyree Phillips as an additional tackle who played well once he's healthy.

I have zero, zero problem with the needs we addressed. I'd like to add a DT and #2 corner with the Waller money but we got better this weekend.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2024, 04:55:59 PMI went with average.

We are a way below average team that has generally had way below average drafts, so average is good for us right now. I'll need to see it to believe it for me to think this draft was better than average. I have plenty of confidence that Nabers will be a very good player, but any of us could have made that pick. The real measure will be all the other picks.

It might also depend on whether it is average for the league or average for the Giants.  The bar for the latter is lower than the bar for the former.

Went with a 4. I really like the players they got with the first five picks but they were all on the outside. Disappointed to not get a DL as it feels like we have a major lack of depth there behind Dex. Would have been interested to see if they would have taken someone like Orhorhoro, Fiske or Newton at 47 if they lasted.

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I say average.
Sorry did not address our biggest need QB. Did nothing for our second biggest need solid help on the OL.

Does anyone think our OL is solid? We gave Jones a big piece but what did we do to keep him upright?

I guess our management thinks what we have is good enough.

Quote from: LennG on April 27, 2024, 06:19:04 PMI say average.
Sorry did not address our biggest need QB. Did nothing for our second biggest need solid help on the OL.

Does anyone think our OL is solid? We gave Jones a big piece but what did we do to keep him upright?

I guess our management thinks what we have is good enough.

Did you want the Giants to draft a QB at 6 that they didn't fully believe in? If not, them not taking a QB was  kind of our of their hands. As for O-line, it was our heaviest investment in FA and that's without considering that we got a new OL coach. Our starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

The defensive secondary was far more of a pressing need. We probably needed DL help more than OL help so if they ignored anything, it was there.

Honestly. This draft was very unsexy, but solid draft. It is the equivalent of picking an OL in the first round. Not flashy, but lays the foundation for the franchise. I would've loved Drake Maye, but were we really ready to part ways with 2-3 future first-round draft picks with a roster with so many holes?

I give the draft a B+

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 27, 2024, 06:28:33 PMOur starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

Do you notice right there why some of us are upset about not addressing the Oline weakness in this draft?
O line is like a chain.. one weak link and it breaks. Neal was a turnstile last year.. they messed up with that high pick... they knew it and still stuck their head in the Staten Island sand and depended on his off season training to have fixed him. We know what happened ( and I lost my $5000+ wager)
, so what about this year?
Who is the solid back up at OC behind Schmitz? Bredeson is not here any longer to come in when / if Schmitz goes down.
To me this is failing at your job.

I rated it very good- looks like we matched needs with value picks where we got them and potentially have a superstar WR, which is quickly becoming another essential piece to an NFL offense.

I may have rated it higher if Schoen had been a little more aggressive in moving up to get some of the higher ranked CBs, but he didn't have much capital to work with.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 27, 2024, 06:28:33 PMDid you want the Giants to draft a QB at 6 that they didn't fully believe in? If not, them not taking a QB was  kind of our of their hands. As for O-line, it was our heaviest investment in FA and that's without considering that we got a new OL coach. Our starting OL in week 1 will likely be Thomas, Eleumanor, JMS, Runyan, Neal barring injury.

The defensive secondary was far more of a pressing need. We probably needed DL help more than OL help so if they ignored anything, it was there.

 Do you really believe this OL is solid? And not even using a lower-round pick for some stability in case someone goes down. YOu draft maybe the best WR in the draft, and you give him to a QB who can't stand long enough to look downfield and you think this is not a pressing need? OK, we differ on that.
Same as drafting Barkley and now having an OL that can open a hole for him. Not one pick for this OL. Lunacy.

Quote from: jimc on April 27, 2024, 05:18:35 PMJust a question here. What would have had to happen to make it outstanding?

It's all subjective obviously. Anyone can call a draft outstanding the day after it ends but that can prove totally untrue down the road, and vice-versa. Given how the Giants have drafted for the past decade, I don't think I would hand them an "outstanding" grade the day after the draft under almost any circumstances. They are going to need to prove it to me with these guys panning out on the field before I start trusting them to that degree. There have just been too many drafts in recent years that have woefully disappointed.

I guess if they had found a way to get a trade done to get Drake Maye, and I didn't think it was so absurd that I was opposed to it on that basis, I might have given them an "outstanding" provided I didn't hate any of the other picks. I happen to be very high on Maye's ceiling and would have been willing to take the gamble on him if it were possible. Apart from that I don't think I would have considered it.

They drafted good players to build the depth of the team. It doesn't matter if I disagree that they passed on three possible franchise QB's. They drafted well. It remains the same be seen if these players work out to their draft position. It remains to be seen if the FA acquisitions will improve the protection and support and elevate Jones to perform to his salary and expectations. It remains to be seen if Barkley can be easily replaced.

The question is about grading who they drafted. I give them a 4.

Awesome draft...filled needs with great picks.....all picks were of same competitive mode .....hard nose players .
Awesome very pleased with draft
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I thought it was a draft for need . The Giants have too many hole to draft the best player available . That said I would say it was a very good draft . My only comment is that instead of drafing Tracy in the 5th round , we should have drafted Platt Rattler or Travis . Maybe Travis was taken by the Jets in the 4th round and would not have been available .

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2024, 08:13:49 PMIt's all subjective obviously. Anyone can call a draft outstanding the day after it ends but that can prove totally untrue down the road, and vice-versa. Given how the Giants have drafted for the past decade, I don't think I would hand them an "outstanding" grade the day after the draft under almost any circumstances. They are going to need to prove it to me with these guys panning out on the field before I start trusting them to that degree. There have just been too many drafts in recent years that have woefully disappointed.

I guess if they had found a way to get a trade done to get Drake Maye, and I didn't think it was so absurd that I was opposed to it on that basis, I might have given them an "outstanding" provided I didn't hate any of the other picks. I happen to be very high on Maye's ceiling and would have been willing to take the gamble on him if it were possible. Apart from that I don't think I would have considered it.

Thanks for your explanation. I think grading the draft is subjective and kinda silly. If the FO thinks they addressed some of their needs, then they did good. And, I think they feel they did good.

I went average 3 as the QB Elephant remains in the room but I think the picks are sound with Andru Phillips my only doubt (DBs with rocks for hands always frustrate no matter how well they play overall).

The early UDFA and Rookie Camp tryout reports do not feature any of the 'bigger'names who slid out of the draft but include a couple of DII and III guys suggesting Schoen now has more comfort with the overall scouting set up than in his first year. I think that might also be reflected with our day 3 draft where we have chosen guys more for what we think they can do used properly than what they have done so far in R4 and 5.

They played the board the best they could and seem to have gone with need/value. The Devito wins put us in a spot where getting a franchise-changing QB wasn't possible. Given that, they seem to have grabbed the best players available who also met a need. Truth is that there is need at just about every spot even if just for depth. A solid draft with no overthinking. Calmly took what was there and it at least feels like the scouting, pre draft process is run by grownups.

Quote from: sjones71 on April 28, 2024, 07:46:46 AMThey played the board the best they could and seem to have gone with need/value. The Devito wins put us in a spot where getting a franchise-changing QB wasn't possible. Given that, they seem to have grabbed the best players available who also met a need. Truth is that there is need at just about every spot even if just for depth. A solid draft with no overthinking. Calmly took what was there and it at least feels like the scouting, pre draft process is run by grownups.

That's a fair point; there were more needs than picks.   Adding talent is the highest priority in a draft, and it seems the Giants did that

I noticed two themes in the players taken


On the offensive side of the ball they looked for speed

On the defensive side of the ball they looked for smart players

Quote from: Just_jimmy on April 27, 2024, 05:06:51 PM1.

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Do you think that McCarthy was that guy?

Home run draft would have been getting Maye. Scared money don't make money as Schoen said.

Short of that , we are reduced to crossing my fingers on DJ but I could see him blossom with Nabers and a competently coached OL too.

I give it a 4. Lots of system fits with smart, tough and dependable players.

It was a solid draft. It was a nice combination of best talent while addressing biggest need. Nubin was a bit of a surprise to me but I may have undervalued the impact of the loss of McKinney.

I've been a Giant fan for 50+ years and I haven't said this often - I thought they had a good off-season in free agency and did well in the draft on Days 1, 2, and 3.

I know some would have liked a QB or DT, or maybe even a G, but there is a limited number of picks and a limited number of players. The fact that the Giants were not awarded a single Compensation Pick in the 2024 draft should give everyone a sober slap in the face about where this team was. We didn't have much and when we lost players we found out they weren't worth anything.

I feel like I'm reliving the Mets rebuild in 1983 and 1984, or the NY Rangers in 1992-1993. I don't like the results yet but I like where this team is going. 

I think it's a solid draft. Scored it a 4.

However, with so many holes everywhere, this ought to be the bare minimum expectation.

I do think the OLine will be better - some nice additions and a new coach - I can see why they didn't prioritise that position.

I would have liked a QB but circumstances dictate the elite ones weren't ready. And reaching for a lesser prospect will only prolong the problems with the position.

4.25

Cheers!

Quote from: Just_jimmy on April 27, 2024, 05:06:51 PM1.

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Seems pretty harsh to downgrade a draft for not taking the opportunity of doing something they never even had the opportunity to do.

Quote from: Painter on April 28, 2024, 10:38:30 AM4.25

Cheers!

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