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Those other teams believe what I believe... pick six is a good slot to be in this year. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 18, 2024, 02:05:52 PMThose other teams believe what I believe... pick six is good slot to be in this year. Bob
Can't argue with you point, clearly they do or they wouldn't be reaching out to the Giants
I really want them to get a game changer. There should be a WR there and potentially a QB.
Pull the trigger, I say.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 18, 2024, 02:10:05 PMI really want them to get a game changer. There should be a WR there and potentially a QB.
Pull the trigger, I say.
That's the thing about trading down. Eventually, you need to get some blue-chip players on your team. If you are constantly trading down to create quantity, it's more difficult for you to add those coveted and badly-needed blue chippers
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 18, 2024, 02:10:05 PMI really want them to get a game changer. There should be a WR there and potentially a QB.
Pull the trigger, I say.
If the Giants are interested in a QB, and I believe they are, but their top 4 are all gone after the Vikings jump them (as I believe they will) then I could see them being interested in trading down with a team like the Bills so they can still draft their QB (either Penix/Nix) and also collect more capital including I would imagine at least 1 more first round pick given how far back they'd be moving down.
The Bills NEED to get Josh Allen an elite WR now that Diggs is gone. They'd likely go above and beyond to get to the Giants spot if the Giants were interested in moving that far back. The only question would be if the Giants are willing to trade back and if so that far back.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 02:15:27 PMThat's the thing about trading down. Eventually, you need to get some blue-chip players on your team. If you are constantly trading down to create quantity, it's more difficult for you to add those coveted and badly-needed blue chippers
Exactly. If the tier 1 QB isn't there. Take the tier 1 Wideout.
You need tier 1 players.
If the Giants want a QB, they like all four QBs they can trade to 4 and give up less to trade two places than say in 2025 if they are maybe 10th and have to trade up to 1st or 2nd pick.
It's all about their real need for a QB and whether they like 1, 2, 3 or 4 QBs
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 18, 2024, 02:05:52 PMThose other teams believe what I believe... pick six is good slot to be in this year. Bob
When you consider the top shelf (4 QBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and at least 1 OT) that would all be top 1 or 2 picks in many other drafts, you can see why. Hence, if trading down, don't trade down too far unless you get a ridiculous offer that includes multiple pics in the first half of the draft, coupled with first round draft picks in coming drafts
if the first post is true, there might be some bidding up among interested teams. TRADE DOWN. I'd rather have 2 red chippers than a 'blue' chip bust, and those qb's have bust written all over them
having read the transcript, I don't think the Giants are trading down. I think his comments were an effort to create a smoke screen because there was too much talk of him trading up
Q. You said you are not one or two players away in this year's draft so you could go either way, how does that impact your decision on whether you move up and what you're willing to part with to move up?
JOE SCHOEN: I haven't said we're going to move up or we will or we won't. It impacts do we stay — surprisingly at 6, we've gotten a lot of calls from people behind us. I didn't think I'd have as much activity at 6 from people behind me as we've gotten. So those are options too as we look at, if we go back, how far back do we want to go?
Then the stack I was just talking about, now there's 10 names instead of 6 or 15 names instead of — where does it make sense for us to move back, and what else can we get with that? We're taking all of that. Whether we go up, back, stay, all that's being talked about right now as we're going through it.
PLUS, does this sound like a man who plans on trading down?
Q. What is draft day like for you? Especially as the pick nears, what is that like?
JOE SCHOEN: A lot of our work and the preparation — especially in the first round. Last year was a little bit more stressful because when you're picking further back in the draft. Where this year at 6, it makes it a little bit easier because you can say, okay, here's six names, here's how we like them, here's our different scenarios, and you can go from there.
The first round is pretty calm just because you've done all the work. No matter how it pans out, you've got your stack and how you like the players. Last year, again, there's a little bit more anxiety and uncertainty because to us last year the draft didn't really start until pick 15, and now you're starting to narrow down who's going to be there.
Where when you're picking this high, it's a little bit different. Pretty calm because all the work and the preparation that the staff, the coaches, all of us have have done leading up to the draft. Usually feel pretty good about our board, and as you go through it, the board talks to you, and a lot of the decisions have already been made.
My interest in trading down hinges on two things:
1) The trading partner offers a top 12-15 pick
and
2) We get a 1st rounder next year as part of the trade.
If they can achieve those two objectives, I'm all in on a trade down.
Accumulating draft capital is always good in my mind as the so-called quality at the top often does not correlate to NFL success. Love the more bites at the apple strategy.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 18, 2024, 04:19:47 PMAccumulating draft capital is always good in my mind as the so-called quality at the top often does not correlate to NFL success. Love the more bites at the apple strategy.
Yep - and if this draft is deep, you're not trading a blue chip for red chips, but maybe a blue and a purple.
For example - Gettleman did the right thing when he traded down in 2021. The mistake(s) were drafting Toney and Neal with those picks. There were clearly blue chip players drafted not too far after both that we could have had.
Quote from: President Rick on April 18, 2024, 03:18:22 PMif the first post is true, there might be some bidding up among interested teams. TRADE DOWN. I'd rather have 2 red chippers than a 'blue' chip bust, and those qb's have bust written all over them
Rick: My hope is that the Vikings will be the caller because they have two first round picks this year to give us.
I'm not one of those rooting for a trade down, but that might be a tough deal to refuse, especially if the Giants' absolute favorite QB and their absolute favorite WR are both gone (highly likely).
Incidentally, no one has reported that Vikings want Pick Six. They want Pick Three so far as I can tell.
Bob
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on April 18, 2024, 03:57:59 PMMy interest in trading down hinges on two things:
1) The trading partner offers a top 12-15 pick
and
2) We get a 1st rounder next year as part of the trade.
If they can achieve those two objectives, I'm all in on a trade down.
It is reported the Broncos are wanting to trade up and are Ok with including Patrick Surtain in the trade. If that is true, I'd be ok with moving to pick 12 while acquiring a stud CB and still having pick 12. Surtain and Banks would be an awesome CB duo. Should allow Dex, Thibs and Burns to eat!
I am on record as not being a Jones fan BUT how often does a team have a shot at getting a real IMPACT player (of which the Giants have very few)??? So unless something really weird happens, take Nabors or Odunze at 6. both of whom have a real shot at being legit IMPACT players, more so than any of the QB's which are always a crap shoot.(ask the 49ers)
Quote from: expatriot on April 19, 2024, 02:43:23 PMI am on record as not being a Jones fan BUT how often does a team have a shot at getting a real IMPACT player (of which the Giants have very few)??? So unless something really weird happens, take Nabors or Odunze at 6. both of whom have a real shot at being legit IMPACT players, more so than any of the QB's which are always a crap shoot.(ask the 49ers)
For a receiver to have an IMPACT, he needs a QB to get him the ball. So one piece of the IMPACT puzzle will be missing if they daft Nabers or Odunze.
I'm normally a fan of trading down in certain situations, but I don't want to do it this year. Our offense is just a mortal embarrassment. If we're not going to get a QB, getting an elite young receiver with all pro type talent would be me second choice of things to do. I want a guy who legitimately strikes fear in the hearts of opposing DCs. A guy like Nabers would do that.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 19, 2024, 03:02:28 PMI'm normally a fan of trading down in certain situations, but I don't want to do it this year. Our offense is just a mortal embarrassment. If we're not going to get a QB, getting an elite young receiver with all pro type talent would be me second choice of things to do. I want a guy who legitimately strikes fear in the hearts of opposing DCs. A guy like Nabers would do that.
DB, I'm not discounting the impact of someone like Nabers, but how effective would that impact be if the QB was not good enough to feed him the ball?
Quote from: katkavage on April 19, 2024, 03:07:18 PMDB, I'm not discounting the impact of someone like Nabers, but how effective would that impact be if the QB was not good enough to feed him the ball?
Not nearly as, clearly. The hope would be we would get a QB upgrade in the following year.
I never said it was ideal. A lot of things about our team are not ideal. Most, in fact.
Vikings seem to have their qb in sights...and are trading up..obviously. But they are going to watch things play smartly, I would believe. Hard to believe the Giants would be a trading partner..though there is always hope.
Who gets picked ahead of our heroes?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 02:15:27 PMThat's the thing about trading down. Eventually, you need to get some blue-chip players on your team. If you are constantly trading down to create quantity, it's more difficult for you to add those coveted and badly-needed blue chippers
Rich, you are very good with stats; so may be there is one that shows in the past 20 drafts, how many 6th picks, or the average of 5th to 7th picks lets say, have ended up being blue chips? I suspect the answer is not more than 50%. Heck, look at our own high picks like that. Then may be you can compare that stat with those picked a little later in the first, plus the compensation they can get, at least a second... what is the chances of just those two picks, either one becoming a blue chip?
I am pretty sure that hitting it big with a 6th pick is less likely than doing so with a 15th plus a 47th pick.
Schoen might have received calls for a potential trade, may be from a couple or even one club; but by making that statement, he increases the value of the trade, were it to materialize.
If the Giants had lost to the Eagles on the last game, all things being equal, would we have the 5th pick or would it still be the 6th?
I have said this numerous times but it is worth repeating again . The last time we traded down we lost out on Micah Parsons .
I think my preference would be to sit and pick.If its not for QB & Giants the 3 WR's close together we take one of the two left (Odunze please!).
In terms of a trade out, I would target a position with thin depth in the draft AND that rates highly in a cluster. Drop back into the teens and that's TE, CB & DT more so than WR. Brian would obviously
love if if we took Bowers :P DT Johnny Newton is one of my "my guys" and fits the scheme perfectly. Not as big a fan of Byron Murphy II but could see an attraction. They're way above DT3 this year. Which CB fits us best?
OL is the deepest position in the draft so unless a grade is ridiculously high compared to the rest of the cluster we like, we pass on that.