Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 05:09:34 PMThey tried to get him to waive it but he declined so they sat him."It's not personal, it's business."
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Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 05:09:34 PMThey tried to get him to waive it but he declined so they sat him."It's not personal, it's business."
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 02:01:57 PM@Jclayton92 and @Ed VetteYou view sitting him after an injury as forcing him to renegotiate his injury clause? That would be up to him and his Agent to bring that up.
How would agents view Schoen if he tried to force a renegotiation of an injury guarantee? While I have seen players be asked to take pay cuts or be cut, I have not witnessed a team try to renegotiate a guarantee. There seems to be an unwritten rule (I am not fully versed; it might even be a written rule) that guarantees money in contracts.
Do you think that might hurt Schoen in future contract negotiations?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:46:49 AMI think the organization would be negligent if they see he is still seeing ghosts to allow him back out there to run into defensive linemen. Yes all of his sacks aren't on him but he didn't help the situation either.Playing is in his best interest. It's his opportunity to retain his position with the Giants or to audition for his next team by way of trade or cut. That's a good reason to waive or renegotiate that injury clause. That clause should have had a reduction built into it over the life of the contract. It should be reduced by 25% entering year two.
I would be perfectly content with them wrapping him in bubble wrap and placing him at the end of the bench. Then telling him if he wants to play he's welcome to waive the injury clause, if not enjoy your 🍿.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 30, 2024, 06:43:28 PMWith all due respect to the OP and everyone else who has posted in this thread, this is officially a boring topic now.
This thread has been played out for years now (with different precise thread titles), and it's still the same folks on both sides making their same points. Clearly those who think Jones is this really good, franchise QB who has been a victim of circumstance are not going to change their minds about that, and those who think he is a middling talent aren't going to either.
We can keep these endless, circular discussions going on all summer if that's really what people want, have things get heated for no reason, and still not persuade anyone, or we can just agree to let him play this year, see what happens, and then discuss his performance on the field.
If the above is not possible or not wanted, then I would humbly suggest we go back to a central "Jones Thread" for all Jones content, rather than going back and forth in 10 different threads concurrently until September (and likely beyond).
We're going into year six now. It's just not that interesting of a topic anymore. I also don't think it's a very controversial one anymore outside of this forum and a small contingent of Giants fans.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 30, 2024, 09:04:28 AM@Ed Vette that was some turnaround. Prior to the draft you were talking about how excited you were, how this was the most important draft, and even threw in a reference to the multiverse. Now you seem absolutely crestfallen.You're one of three fans on this poll who is excited. When I said this was a pivotal and important draft, I stand by that. IMO, they needed to draft a QB, even if it was the one you pushed that I said I needed more information on. I would have been happy with JJ McCarthy. Not with Jones for a 6th season.
As to the question, I think this team is moving in the right direction. I appreciate the team lost Barkley and McKinney, but in my mind, it's not about adding good players; it's about adding impact players. While it's not unreasonable to label both Barkley and McKinney as good, neither really made an impact on the team nor its fortunes.
Now, with the qualifier that this is a speculative thread and question, so we are projecting the play of players, I see the following:
On offense, the Giants added Nabers, who I feel will have a significant positive impact. He will do that by not only giving the quarterback an open target but also adding significant YAC, something this offense hasn't had in quite some time.
I also see players making bigger positive impacts this year than last, including JMS, Hyatt, Robinson, and Daniel Jones (if he stays healthy).
I wouldn't be surprised if Theo Johnson and Tyrone Tracy are year-one contributors.
I don't believe there will be a drop off at RB
At QB, I am concerned about DJ's ability to stay healthy, but I am intrigued as to what Drew Lock can bring to the table. He always had talent, but from what I hear, he finally "gets it" in terms of what it take to be an NFL QB.
Still, the biggest problem with the offense was the offensive line. I hope that when we look back on next season, we will say the biggest addition to the team was O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Adding a bunch of proven veterans to pair with the younger players seems to be a wise move at this point.
On Defense, I don't have any reason to believe that Shane Bowen isn't a competent DC. The addition of Burns and the day two DBs were nice additions. There were already some solid contributors with Dex, Thibs, and Okereka. There is no reason to think the Giants can't field at least a middle-of-the-pack defense with some potential upside.
Coaching is an interesting issue. I have gone on record that I didn't like how the Giants handled the situation. Still, if one wants to take the optimistic view, Daboll's staff should at least all be on the same page and follow Daboll's vision for how the team should be run. That has the potential to make things much better for the team.
So all-in-all I am cautiously optimistic
Quote from: katkavage on April 30, 2024, 07:10:23 AMI don't know about Joe Alt, but I'm pretty sure, picking 6, they never were serious about a QB despite the blather of Mara and Schoen. If they were picking number 1 they would haven't had a choice and would have had to take Williams. Anything other than that, I think they would have traded out. It's all about saving face over the contract for Jones.Once Maye was off the table, I think Alt was the guy. Although I don't think they ever had serious intentions of trading the farm for Maye.