Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on April 13, 2024, 04:00:26 PMI see NE as the best trade partner for Minnesota. Their roster is the worst in the NFL. A rookie QB will struggle like Bryce Young this past year. They have so many holes and need draft capital. Arizona and/or Chargers lose our on the top receivers if they trade back. Don't see them doing that unless it's with the Giants.

Could the Chargers be looking to draft an OT and moving back they can do that with Minn and pick up the 11th and 23rd pick and get an OT and WR?

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 13, 2024, 04:19:52 PMCould the Chargers be looking to draft an OT and moving back they can do that with Minn and pick up the 11th and 23rd pick and get an OT and WR?

But they will miss out on the top three receivers. And they have no receivers now. None.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 13, 2024, 03:43:25 PMSo no trade up by any other teams? Minnesota needs a QB and the Raiders too.

Could be, but I doubt it. Rumor has it Vikings love Penix. They could get him at 11 and at 23 het a Right Tackle for there Left handed QB. The Raiders have Minshaw for now the Odonnall. They could select Bo Nix with there pick

Quote from: brownelvis54 on April 13, 2024, 04:49:05 PMCould be, but I doubt it. Rumor has it Vikings love Penix. They could get him at 11 and at 23 het a Right Tackle for there Left handed QB. The Raiders have Minshaw for now the Odonnall. They could select Bo Nix with there pick

Penix is a better fit for the Vikes than McCarthy or Maye in my opinion.

Quote from: londonblue on April 13, 2024, 03:05:20 PMOur worst case is that whoever we pick at 6 does not work out. It is not all that unlikely given Thibodeaux is good but not (yet) great, a double not a home run. Neal is bad (so far). Another mistake gets magnified if the pick is a QB as it will delay hope for at least three more years.

Our best case is whoever we pick justifies their draft slot and has a long career with us including multiple all-pro recognition. If they are a QB it has a multiplier effect but an all-pro at WR or CB still makes us better.

Fingers crossed we hit a home run with whatever pick we make and they help raise our level.

I'm with you.  Best and worse scenarios happen after the draft.  Because when it comes down to it no one knows how any of these guys will pan out.

Quote from: katkavage on April 13, 2024, 04:35:21 PMBut they will miss out on the top three receivers. And they have no receivers now. None.

Exactly, thats why I said


1-Williams to Chicago

2-Daniels to Washington

3-New England takes McCarthy

4-Arizona takes Harrison Jr

5-Chargers take Nabers

Quote from: brownelvis54 on April 13, 2024, 07:14:56 PMExactly, thats why I said


1-Williams to Chicago

2-Daniels to Washington

3-New England takes McCarthy

4-Arizona takes Harrison Jr

5-Chargers take Nabers

So we'd get Maye without a trade.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 13, 2024, 07:16:25 PMSo we'd get Maye without a trade.

Basically, yes. Dave I believe if one QB falls to 6...it will be Maye.

I think the Vikings are drafting Penix

Below are my four "best case scenarios" (in order of best-ness) and my one "worst case scenario" for the Giants' upcoming 1st-round pick:

Best case: (a) they want a WR and their absolute favorite falls to them; (b) they want a QB and their absolute favorite falls to them; (c) their favorites are gone and the Vikings come a-callin' offering not only this year's two 1st-round picks but also next year's first rounder; (d) their favorites are gone and they draft the best player at one of the other positions (likely an OL) and he turns out to be good enough to start on opening day.

Worst case: Whomever they select sucks.

Bob

Worst: They take Bowers at 6.

Quote from: coggs on April 15, 2024, 09:10:18 AMWorst: They take Bowers at 6.

I have heard the issue with TEs like Bowers is that offensive coordinators need to change their offenses and scheme to include their special TE.   Many offensive coordinators start off scheming to include their special TE, but over time, they tend to drift back to what makes them comfortable.

Worst scenario Jones is the QB, and history repeats he gets hurt again in game 5, enough to be out for the year, and maybe retire. They manage to win a meaningless game at the end of the year losing out on the college darling QB for that year who becomes an All-Pro. Best scenario our first pick becomes All-Pro, and the other picks all contribute to a growing, winning atmosphere.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 15, 2024, 09:12:13 AMI have heard the issue with TEs like Bowers is that offensive coordinators need to change their offenses and scheme to include their special TE.   Many offensive coordinators start off scheming to include their special TE, but over time, they tend to drift back to what makes them comfortable.

Rich: Feldman said essentially that he is worth the pick. I agree although I think it should be the last option for the Giants behind WR, QB and OL (in that order).  As for molding an offense around him, IMO that could be an issue. I am not aware of any "special plays" or other offensive adjustments having been inserted into the Giants' playbook to account for acquisition of Waller... and he is a proven commodity. So it's unlikely they would do it for a rookie, or draft a guy that they didn't believe was ready to start now with the offense as it is. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 15, 2024, 09:57:58 AMRich: Feldman said essentially that he is worth the pick. I agree although I think it should be the last option for the Giants behind WR, QB and OL (in that order).  As for molding an offense around him, IMO that could be an issue. I am not aware of any "special plays" or other offensive adjustments having been inserted into the Giants' playbook to account for acquisition of Waller... and he is a proven commodity. So it's unlikely they would do it for a rookie, or draft a guy that they didn't believe was ready to start now with the offense as it is. Bob

The other problem with that approach is what happens when you build your offense around a special TE and he gets hurt?  Do you toss out all your TE-centric plays?   Once a season starts teams have limited ability to significantly change their offense.  They can make adjustments and tweaks, but not wholesale changes.