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Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 25, 2022, 09:34:35 AMGiven the expectation that the Jets are supposedly going to move on from Wilson, I wonder if they will be one of the team's that goes after DJ?

I mentioned this in another post!

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 25, 2022, 09:34:35 AMGiven the expectation that the Jets are supposedly going to move on from Wilson, I wonder if they will be one of the team's that goes after DJ?

Nah I think the Jets go with Mike White who is popular among his teammates along with some other veteran.  I think Washington, Tampa and New Orleans could be teams that go after Jones.

I though Jones was fantastic yesterday outside of a rare interception. I was watching the game with my dad who was a big Jones critic and we both expect him to be resigned. 

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 25, 2022, 08:42:39 AMPersonally I don't think there is a drop off.

We know Hurts is a much better athlete and runner than Minshew, so to say Minshew is equal is to say he's a significantly better passer.

I like Minshew a lot and think he's better than some starters in this league, and I admit that up until this season I wasn't very high on Hurts, but I don't think I'm comfortable saying Minshew is a distinctly better passer than Hurts. Minshew is very efficient and accurate, but his arm is pretty weak.

Overall I would say that the gap probably isn't as big as many think, but I personally would not agree that there is zero drop-off. And I say that coming from a place where I have always liked Minshew and think he's a solid QB.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2022, 10:34:31 AMWe know Hurts is a much better athlete and runner than Minshew, so to say Minshew is equal is to say he's a significantly better passer.

I like Minshew a lot and think he's better than some starters in this league, and I admit that up until this season I wasn't very high on Hurts, but I don't think I'm comfortable saying Minshew is a distinctly better passer than Hurts. Minshew is very efficient and accurate, but his arm is pretty weak.

Overall I would say that the gap probably isn't as big as many think, but I personally would not agree that there is zero drop-off. And I say that coming from a place where I have always liked Minshew and think he's a solid QB.

Look at all the Free Agent Qbs this offseason and the stats they've put up this season. Someone's going to pay White, Brissett, Dalton, Minshew, Geno, Heinecke, and especially Darnold after the last 4 games he's had. All those Qbs have played good football this year.

Quote from: TDToomer on December 25, 2022, 10:29:21 AMI though Jones was fantastic yesterday outside of a rare interception. I was watching the game with my dad who was a big Jones critic and we both expect him to be resigned. 

But, it takes 2 to tango and he might not be all that interested in re-signing with a team that hasn't been stable coaching wise and that has failed, in 4 years, to put more than a couple of decent pieces around him.  And if he looks back and sees how they essentially wasted half of Eli's career with the same problems . . .  I guess it depends on whether he has faith that the new regime can reverse the failures of the last 10 years.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 25, 2022, 09:57:27 AMI mentioned this in another post!

Great minds, and all that.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 25, 2022, 12:10:17 PMBut, it takes 2 to tango and he might not be all that interested in re-signing with a team that hasn't been stable coaching wise and that has failed, in 4 years, to put more than a couple of decent pieces around him.  And if he looks back and sees how they essentially wasted half of Eli's career with the same problems . . .  I guess it depends on whether he has faith that the new regime can reverse the failures of the last 10 years.

I have no doubt that Jones will want to resign with the stable coaching staff he has now.

Quote from: TDToomer on December 25, 2022, 12:42:15 PMI have no doubt that Jones will want to resign with the stable coaching staff he has now.

Time will tell.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 25, 2022, 12:10:17 PMBut, it takes 2 to tango and he might not be all that interested in re-signing with a team that hasn't been stable coaching wise and that has failed, in 4 years, to put more than a couple of decent pieces around him.  And if he looks back and sees how they essentially wasted half of Eli's career with the same problems . . .  I guess it depends on whether he has faith that the new regime can reverse the failures of the last 10 years.

If Jones feels that way let him walk.  While the Giants didn't provide him the perfect situation Jones didn't do everything he could to elevate those around him.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 25, 2022, 12:56:01 PMIf Jones feels that way let him walk.  While the Giants didn't provide him the perfect situation Jones didn't do everything he could to elevate those around him.

There is a vast gulf between a "perfect" situation and the garbage they saddled him with, up to and including this year, although the coaching HAS improved this year.  But the offensive roster hasn't.

Hey all- I've just popped into this long-ass thread to say I think Daniel Jones is a bonafide franchise QB.  He's not a top 5 or maybe even top 10 QB and may never be one- kinda like another franchise QB we all grew to know and love. 

I believe some of you DJ detractors need to think through the differences between a franchise QB and an elite/MVP level QB.  They're two different things.  It's clear to me now that we can win a lot of games with DJ under center.  He's got the work ethic, the demeanor, and the skills to be a successful QB for a very long time. 

I feel 100% sure the Giants front office sees the same thing and we'll hopefully shift gears now to make sure he's got the best team around him to continue maximizing the team's overall play. 

Just wanted to go on record and I guess this is the only place to talk about him anymore     

I think it is fair to say that there is no precise, widely-agreed upon definition of "franchise QB." Everyone has their own take on the phrase, which is fine. It's not a phrase with a precise definition.

To me, and this is just my personal opinion, I think it's hard to firmly declare any QB a "franchise QB" if he's not clearly top 10. If you start extending it beyond the top 10, you're getting to a point where you're close to saying that half or nearly half of the league's starters are "franchise QBs." I don't personally feel that way myself. I think the "franchise QB" label has a more exclusive scope than that. I think 10 is probably the most. Again, this is my personal opinion of the definition of the phrase, and I'm not saying those who disagree are wrong.

I do not see Jones as a top 10 QB this year, and I don't think many objective people do. I have felt and said for a while now that he is a middle of the road starter, which is hardly an insult or even being a "detractor." If someone says you're the 14th-17th best QB in the world, that's not exactly an insult in my book. But to me that's not a "franchise QB."

In Today NFL I think you need an elite QB on a rookie deal and a solid team to compete for super bowls. The importance of the rookie deal for the Qb is to allow you to build properly while the Qb grows.

I juat haven't seen any team thrive resigning a top 12-20 QB at a premium. It hasn't worked out in any capacity for the team that signed the QB. So is Jones supposed to be the exception to the rule? I'm all for us signing him for a year maybe two, but anything beyond that cripples the front office to actually build a proper team.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on December 25, 2022, 01:27:31 PMHey all- I've just popped into this long-ass thread to say I think Daniel Jones is a bonafide franchise QB.  He's not a top 5 or maybe even top 10 QB and may never be one- kinda like another franchise QB we all grew to know and love. 

I believe some of you DJ detractors need to think through the differences between a franchise QB and an elite/MVP level QB.  They're two different things.  It's clear to me now that we can win a lot of games with DJ under center.  He's got the work ethic, the demeanor, and the skills to be a successful QB for a very long time. 

I feel 100% sure the Giants front office sees the same thing and we'll hopefully shift gears now to make sure he's got the best team around him to continue maximizing the team's overall play. 

Just wanted to go on record and I guess this is the only place to talk about him anymore     

Yup...dont dare make a thread that has anything to do with Jones.