Big Blue Huddle

One observation -  DJ is not working with the best group of receivers.  However, this may be the longest stretch of working with the same receivers.

https://twitter.com/talkingiants/status/1607383498884583430

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 26, 2022, 09:33:07 AMhttps://twitter.com/talkingiants/status/1607383498884583430

While it's never a bad thing to enjoy your personal best at something, I'm not sure that this particular number is one to write home about for a fourth year QB whom many are trying to argue is a franchise QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 26, 2022, 09:33:07 AMhttps://twitter.com/talkingiants/status/1607383498884583430

That's nice but he only started 12 games in 2019. He needed 15 starts this season to pass his own best.

This is not a knock, just a fact.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 26, 2022, 09:51:27 AMWhile it's never a bad thing to enjoy your personal best at something, I'm not sure that this particular number is one to write home about for a fourth year QB whom many are trying to argue is a franchise QB.

And less than 4,000 yards in a 17 game season isn't exactly performing at a highly productive level for someone who is looking to get paid after the season.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 26, 2022, 10:07:53 AMAnd less than 4,000 yards in a 17 game season isn't exactly performing at a highly productive level for someone who is looking to get paid after the season.

And he may be performing to what the expectations of this new administration was or even better considering the supporting cast.

Bill

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 26, 2022, 07:08:59 AMYou care about it enough to complain to the moderators about it.

Why waste the time to post this and further the animosity on this board? You know better.

Quote from: ps11yat14 on December 26, 2022, 10:27:20 AMAnd he may be performing to what the expectations of this new administration was or even better considering the supporting cast.

Bill

It's year 4.  He's had multiple Head Coaches, Coordinators and players around him.  At some point it needs to be about him.

He had a good game this week. Credit is given. If he can play like this more consistently, I'd be on board bringing him back as a bridge for a year or two but not a long term thing.

After 4 years, with some of the same WRs that he should have chemistry with, and the best OL he has had, I would expect games like this a bit more often.

At the end of the day we are 20th in the league in points per game at 20.7, and have never been more than 18th with him which was in his rookie year. We should be at least in the top 9-12 range at minimum if we want to compete. All the stats and metrics supporting both sides of the argument (to keep or not to keep) are nice, but at the end of the day we need to put points on the board consistently.

But who knows, maybe another year of building the roster along with a new turf and players returning on both sides of the ball get us there.

As much as we see Mahomes, Brady, and other franchise guys win each year, we occasionally get a Flacco, Foles, or Dilfer that sneak one in on occasion, could DJ be that? I'm not sure, I don't think so. But maybe Daboll believes he can get more out of him. I don't see it but if he resigns here I hope they do. After 4 years he just has too many things to work on in my opinion. At some point you simply are what you are.

https://twitter.com/TalkinGiants/status/1607424281402540034

https://twitter.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1607418439101972481

If I may interject a few thoughts.

Daboll and Kafka had DJ throw the ball 42 times against the Vikings, and 30 times against the Jaguars.

Why?

Because the Vikings have the 32nd ranked passing defense, and the Jaguars the 28th.

Daboll and Kafka are going to attack a teams weakness, this means they may run it 50 times a game, or throw it 40 times, depending on the opponent.

Daboll has mentioned this multiple times, during his media sessions.

One of the criteria that JS has said for the QB position is can he come through in the "Gotta have it moments".

The Giants were down by 8, with about 4 minutes left in the game. DJ drove them down the field and scored a TD, and also came through with a 2 point conversion.

I personally was looking to see if he could come through in a "Gotta have it moment" when the pressure was on and he did.

Two more games to go, let's see what happens

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 26, 2022, 12:59:14 PMAfter 4 years, with some of the same WRs that he should have chemistry with, and the best OL he has had, I would expect games like this a bit more often.

The only receivers who were even on the team last year are Barkley and Slayton.  And that "best OL he has had" has given up 3.1 sacks per game compared to last year's 2.2 sacks per game.  So I reject the premise.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/ol-power-rankings-2022/

Quote from: sxdxca38 on December 26, 2022, 01:48:32 PMIf I may interject a few thoughts.

Daboll and Kafka had DJ throw the ball 42 times against the Vikings, and 30 times against the Jaguars.

Why?

Because the Vikings have the 32nd ranked passing defense, and the Jaguars the 28th.

Daboll and Kafka are going to attack a teams weakness, this means they may run it 50 times a game, or throw it 40 times, depending on the opponent.

Daboll has mentioned this multiple times, during his media sessions.

One of the criteria that JS has said for the QB position is can he come through in the "Gotta have it moments".

The Giants were down by 8, with about 4 minutes left in the game. DJ drove them down the field and scored a TD, and also came through with a 2 point conversion.

I personally was looking to see if he could come through in a "Gotta have it moment" when the pressure was on and he did.

Two more games to go, let's see what happens

Daboll and Kafka like Jones on a schedule. When we win he typically throws it for 27-30 times for a 180 yards and 0-1 Tds. It's when he's asked to throw more than that is when we lose typically. Because him throwing less means the ground game is working and if the ground game isn't working we typically lose.

I know a lot of people talk about raw stats in terms of evaluating Jones.  However, I remember Schoen laid out his criteria in an interview some time back.  I had a hard time finding this, but I finally did.   I remember that Joe Schoen laid out his vision for a franchise QB.   I think it's not unreasonable to suggest that Daniel Jones has checked the boxes that Schoen was looking for.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 06, 2022, 07:57:04 AMI was listening to me 5th interview with Joe Schoen.  You wouldn't think I would learn something new (at least of value), but in this interview, he was asked what his vision is of a franchise QB.  On a side note, this seemed to be JS simply laid out that they are halfway through the evaluation process with Jones and he would not commit that Jones will be back next season.  Still, to me the real value was Joe describing his franchise QB because that certainly would help in terms of seeing Jones' perform and how JS would judge that performance

Joe Schoen's franchise QB

1) When everyone in the building knows you are going to throw it, can you throw it

2) Do you have confidence in him to go down the field and get points at the end of the half (or the end of the game)

3)  can you adlib? Can you make plays when things aren't perfect

4) Off the field- leadership, personality, and approach to your profession (JS said Jones checks a lot of these boxes)

If you want to hear his comments on Jones (I think this was the clearest Joe has been in terms of Jones), it starts around the 7:30 mark.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-zach-gelb-show/joe-schoen-new-york-giants-general-manager-1