The Giants' record for the last ten years is:
63-107-1 .368 winning %
Points For- 3364
Points Against- 4121
Besides Games at the stadium and on TV, watching podcasts, analyzing footage, and reporting on training camp, some of us have spent a half year to almost a full year of our lives Online here discussing Giants Football. Rich has spent 3.4 years of his life dedicated to this team and this organization.
To put this in perspective, let's look back at the Wilderness Days of 1964 - 1974.
55-95-4 .357 winning %
The true outliers have been the Parcells and Coughlin generations. Pockets of about 7-8 years of good competitive and championship Football.
I don't know about any of you but Owa Tagu Syam...
The thing is, we have become so used to this that we have become numb and complacent and accepting of this crappy product almost year in and year out, with a little taste of success only to fall back into the abyss. I loved going to the games but I have to say that I'm so happy that I walked away from my seat license to save a lot of money and a lot of time.
You've seen this team win 4 Super Bowls. Many fans of other teams would sign up for that.
I thought the Wilderness Years went through the 1980 season? Why stop at 1974 when the Giants were atrocious for another 6 more seasons?
Quote from: TDToomer on November 07, 2023, 03:44:46 PMI thought the Wilderness Years went through the 1980 season? Why stop at 1974 when the Giants were atrocious for another 6 more seasons?
A comparison span of time.
Thus again the idea that the Giants are basically the same as the Lions (teams that won in the 50s and collapsed afterward due to inept ownership), except we were lucky enough to have LT and Eli save us from ourselves, and the Lions were not.
Because it's what we do.
Gluttons!!! It's all good, I'm here for the next 40 years, if I'm lucky. Hopefully we can see a couple more championships. <:-P
I do it because I'm still at a point in my life that I continue to have hope. I don't expect that will ever change.
Bill
Because we have no choice! From my first games in Yankee Stadium, with Charlie Conerly at QB, it's been ingrained over 60+ years. It's part of our DNA! I could talk a big game and say I quit the Giants and will adopt another team.....but I'd be full of sht! I could no more do that than go to the moon. I am now, always have been, and will die a NY Giant fan. It's just the way it is.
I started watching football in the early 80's. So it's a different perspective. For fans my age, the Parcells and Coughlin era is sandwiched some less prosperous times, but even then there was a Super Bowl appearance.
In that time getting to see 4 Super Bowl championships really shouldn't be under appreciated regardless of the down days.
When the Giants beat the Broncos for their 1st Lombardi, my father said to me "enjoy it, because you may never see it again". He might have felt that way because of his NY Rangers fandom, but I think it was more than that.
I suspect I've become a bad fan, because it has become easier and easier to emotionally check out on the team and harder and harder for them to suck me back in.
Actually its trying to figure out a way out of the wilderness that makes it all interesting
According to the Charts Bew McAdoo should have been allowed to run his own shop and not be bullied the fans and a cowering owner
a chart of todays QBs shows his choice of Geno Smith was in retrospect brilliant
He also argued for drafting Mahommes and was ignored in the draft room
too many cheifs absolutely destroying the soup
if you hire a HC, stand out of his way....we cannot seem to do that
maybe Daboll is just seeing a lull and will turn it around given the chance- which in iteslf is dubious
As for Daniel Jones .... he is snakebit. Give Tommy Divito a real chance- open up the playbook, at least for entertainments sake- thats all we have left for this year (unless Seattle wants to return Geno)
again though part of the fun of the board is figuring out the pathway to success
there are 32 teams and we have won more than the average teams Lombardi's- go ask a Jets fan
Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 08, 2023, 03:22:44 AMI suspect I've become a bad fan, because it has become easier and easier to emotionally check out on the team and harder and harder for them to suck me back in.
That's exactly how I feel, Rich. My Sundays emotions are no longer dependent on the Giants winning or Loosing. I'm attending this Sundays game in Dallas, but no longer focus on the game itself. It's now an extra thanksgiving where I get to see my oldest son, brother and other family members...it's more about that now, than the game itself. Plus, the beer helps.
Once the games are no longer relevant, it's hard to care as much, even for a passionate fan. I would even suggest that if you care as much about this Sunday's game (from a winning standpoint) as you did week one at home against Dallas when everyone had an 0-0 record, your sense of priority may be a bit off. Plus, you have this conflict now of winning perhaps not being the best thing for the franchise, given we're likely in the market for a QB, which means you want as high a pick as possible.
I will certainly be watching on Sunday and rooting for them (as I always do during games), plus I'm kind of curious to see how DeVito handles this challenge, but in no way do I care as much whether they win or not as I did earlier this season when the games mattered. Once they lost the Seattle game in spectacular fashion the way they did, I kind of knew the season was over at that point. I guess I was hoping it wouldn't go completely off the rails the way it did, but let's face it, this is nothing we haven't seen before. Plenty of times. Sadly, Giants fans have become used to this type of season.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 08, 2023, 06:47:10 AMOnce the games are no longer relevant, it's hard to care as much, even for a passionate fan. I would even suggest that if you care as much about this Sunday's game (from a winning standpoint) as you did week one at home against Dallas when everyone had an 0-0 record, your sense of priority may be a bit off. Plus, you have this conflict now of winning perhaps not being the best thing for the franchise, given we're likely in the market for a QB, which means you want as high a pick as possible.
I will certainly be watching on Sunday and rooting for them (as I always do during games), plus I'm kind of curious to see how DeVito handles this challenge, but in no way do I care as much whether they win or not as I did earlier this season when the games mattered. Once they lost the Seattle game in spectacular fashion the way they did, I kind of knew the season was over at that point. I guess I was hoping it wouldn't go completely off the rails the way it did, but let's face it, this is nothing we haven't seen before. Plenty of times. Sadly, Giants fans have become used to this type of season.
In years past I would never hope to be the worst team for draft purposes and that goes back to Eli. I still root on Sunday but in this era of the NFL, there is a clear advantage in having an elite QB. Of course the Draft is also clearly a gambling proposition.
The damage done to the more mature generations of the fan base is evident just by looking at the Members List and seeing those who were enthusiastically posting years ago and now no longer post, although some just read to keep up with the news. Their passion has waned.
My emotional level before and after the game has been tempered and jaded. I've become more of an NFL fan and less of a Giants fanatic. Appreciation is more accurate than fan.
This is a good thread. I am very down on my sports fandom and it is not just the Giants. I am a Yankees and Islanders fan. All 3 of these teams have given me 4+ championships in my lifetime which is more than other teams fans could ask for. But lately it has become joyless to be a fan of these teams.
The Giants had 2 nice seasons in the past decade surrounded by some of the worst football I have ever seen.
The Yankees manage to make the playoff or at least finish above .500 but always seem to underachieve and play a boring style of baseball compared to the top teams in MLB. I expect better.
The Islanders like Yankees are fine just making the playoffs and hoping for the best but also play a boring style of Hockey and in the past 2 week have blown 3 period leads for a loss.
Usually one or two of my teams keeps me happy while the others are struggling but it's just depressing to be me as a sports fan today. I watch and follow sports to escape from life in addition to being entertained. And if I tune out and they suddenly become worth watching again then I become a fan that I despise. A fair weathered frontrunner.
End rant.
Quote from: AYM on November 07, 2023, 04:25:31 PMThus again the idea that the Giants are basically the same as the Lions (teams that won in the 50s and collapsed afterward due to inept ownership), except we were lucky enough to have LT and Eli save us from ourselves, and the Lions were not.
Bobby Layne be damned, wow!
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2023, 03:54:22 PMA comparison span of time.
So we have 6 more years bad football to look forward to?
In comparison
I do this because I am a fan. As has been said it is painful to be eliminated before Halloween and the energy of watching a game is gone. I wonder how I might feel if the Giants beat a team them should not beat and ruin a good draft?
While I never really root for them to lose, something about winning a game like that just wouldn't be as sweet as it should be.
I am also a fan that goes back to Connelly and I have lived thru tremendous teams in the late 50's and early 60's to the entire mess of 20 years of just bad football. For those that remember to those years it is so eerily similar to what we are experiencing now it is remarkable.
We were always fed the story of maybe next year, we acquired many bad players and the mantra was always the same
We went thru a firth of coaches, GMs and ownership was basically the root cause. It took an unheard of intervention by Pete Rozelle to get ownership to accept a new GM who knew what he was doing, not someone hired by ownership to get us going.
Like it or not we are doomed to repeat history. We have a decent season sandwiched between several terrible ones and we believe the garbage that we are continually fed, maybe next year, we are rebuilding etc. etc.
When will we learn.
Watching the Giants offence is like watching paint dry. I watch the Giants because I'm a diehard, not a bandwagon fan. Although, it gets harder each week. Such a disappointing season. I though their record would be something like 7-10 because of the brutal schedule, but not the total dumpster fire that they are. They are not even remotely competitive. I had hoped that DJ would build on last season, but he has regressed. Although, that OL would make any QB run for their life and become shell shocked. They got stomped by the Raiders! Come on! :surrender: But, I will still watch because... I really don't know why. Glutton for punishment Maybe.
I think we can watch games the rest of the season and be excited as hell about a few things.
A) That we found 3 starting corners in 2 drafts and their development
B) That we have the cake in Wandale and Hyatt we just need a monster to be that icing of that trio.
C) Our defensive front, with Bobby and McFadden we likely have two Mike's, Thibs is a good pass rusher, and we have Dex. We are a DE, Edge 2 and Edge 3 from a really good to great front 7.
D) While less exciting we need Belton, Pinnock, and McCloud to get as many safety reps as humanly possibly to see if safety is an overhaul position or 1 plug and play guy away.
E) The Oline has been bad but it isn't bad off, Thomas and JMS as anchors, 1 of Pugh/Brederson at LG, and a plug play RG and Rt/ swing tackle is really all we are missing but I think Neal us actually making progress.
The real overhaul this offseason becomes Changing the face or faces of the franchise. We need a Qb, we need a new medical staff, and we need a couple of cheap Rbs.
I'm actually genuinely excited about the future.
Perhaps I'm a bandwagon fan, but I look at it more like they have to EARN my attention. There is no other area in life where I would continue to buy a mediocre to bad product, so why should I do that in sports? I've given the Giants a free pass for too many years. If that makes me an inferior fan then so be it. Like many here I am deep into the back nine of life and I'm more concerned with my quality of life than proving I can suffer like a true fan.
Quote from: kartanoman on November 09, 2023, 08:15:19 AMBobby Layne be damned, wow!
I don't believe Bobby Layne had supernatural power, sue me :-??
Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 10, 2023, 03:37:52 PMPerhaps I'm a bandwagon fan, but I look at it more like they have to EARN my attention. There is no other area in life where I would continue to buy a mediocre to bad product, so why should I do that in sports? I've given the Giants a free pass for too many years. If that makes me an inferior fan then so be it. Like many here I am deep into the back nine of life and I'm more concerned with my quality of life than proving I can suffer like a true fan.
I don't think you can remotely compare team fandom to real life scenarios, such as repeatedly investing in bad products.
Logic goes out the window when it comes to your team.
I'll be watching this Sunday, probably not having a good time, probably pretty miserable.
But I'll do it.
And I'll do it again.....and again.
Why?
There's no answer that makes sense on any logical level.
I can only say, because they're my team.
Maybe, trying to be logical, it's because the "No good......wide right" and "17-14 is the final, believe it and it will happen" moments feel that much sweeter because of all the crap Sundays we endure in between.
Quote from: AYM on November 10, 2023, 09:41:22 PMI don't believe Bobby Layne had supernatural power, sue me :-??
Tell that to a Lions' fan and be glad we're not one of them!
Peace!
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 07, 2023, 03:24:05 PMYou've seen this team win 4 Super Bowls. Many fans of other teams would sign up for that.
very true. theres times i would trade 1 of those for giving me a reason to annually give up 17 sundays a year though. i know i know, crazy statement. but honestly... its been a devastating 12 years, with no real hope in sight. i just want to be competitive again. year in and year out.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 10, 2023, 03:37:52 PMPerhaps I'm a bandwagon fan, but I look at it more like they have to EARN my attention. There is no other area in life where I would continue to buy a mediocre to bad product, so why should I do that in sports? I've given the Giants a free pass for too many years. If that makes me an inferior fan then so be it. Like many here I am deep into the back nine of life and I'm more concerned with my quality of life than proving I can suffer like a true fan.
This pretty much describes my fandom of all sports, not just the Giants. I go into each season excited. I follow my teams in the off-season, during the draft, etc. And early in the season, I'm "all in" and supporting them 100%.
If the season goes south or the team just stinks / lacks effort, then I tune out. Sometimes I make it halfway through the season, sometimes less. On the flip side, if the team is competitive then I ride with all season long.
As AZ said, I'm not about to waste my precious time on an inferior product - that goes for sports, TV / movies, anything. I'll give things the benefit of the doubt and try them out, but I know a bust when I see one.
And if that makes me a fair-weather fan, I'm totally fine with that.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 11, 2023, 10:45:52 AMThis pretty much describes my fandom of all sports, not just the Giants. I go into each season excited. I follow my teams in the off-season, during the draft, etc. And early in the season, I'm "all in" and supporting them 100%.
If the season goes south or the team just stinks / lacks effort, then I tune out. Sometimes I make it halfway through the season, sometimes less. On the flip side, if the team is competitive then I ride with all season long.
As AZ said, I'm not about to waste my precious time on an inferior product - that goes for sports, TV / movies, anything. I'll give things the benefit of the doubt and try them out, but I know a bust when I see one.
And if that makes me a fair-weather fan, I'm totally fine with that.
You gentlemen are a lot smarter than me. I must be a sucker for punishment.
Quote from: MagicRat on November 11, 2023, 03:05:57 AMI don't think you can remotely compare team fandom to real life scenarios, such as repeatedly investing in bad products.
Logic goes out the window when it comes to your team.
I'll be watching this Sunday, probably not having a good time, probably pretty miserable.
But I'll do it.
And I'll do it again.....and again.
Why?
There's no answer that makes sense on any logical level.
I can only say, because they're my team.
Maybe, trying to be logical, it's because the "No good......wide right" and "17-14 is the final, believe it and it will happen" moments feel that much sweeter because of all the crap Sundays we endure in between.
That's fine. Everyone doesn't have to do it like me.
I totally get not watching games when your team is 100% out of the race and they're brutal and awful to watch. Time is precious. And for those who work or have other weekday obligations, weekend time is really precious. So I get not wanting to plant yourself down on the couch for 3.5 hours to watch an event like last week's game, knowing that even if they won it wouldn't have mattered (and would have only made things worse from a draft standpoint). I generally still watch them even when they're this bad, but I totally get not wanting to and I don't think those who make that decision are less of fans than those who do.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 11, 2023, 11:10:02 AMI totally get not watching games when your team is 100% out of the race and they're brutal and awful to watch. Time is precious. And for those who work or have other weekday obligations, weekend time is really precious. So I get not wanting to plant yourself down on the couch for 3.5 hours to watch an event like last week's game, knowing that even if they won it wouldn't have mattered (and would have only made things worse from a draft standpoint). I generally still watch them even when they're this bad, but I totally get not wanting to and I don't think those who make that decision are less of fans than those who do.
I wouldn't bring EarPods to a wedding or baptism but there was a time that I would... lol
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 11, 2023, 12:44:48 PMI wouldn't bring EarPods to a wedding or baptism but there was a time that I would... lol
Homer would!