Too early? Perhaps it is but I'm already over him. The players should be getting coached up. After two steps forward last year this is ten steps back. Undisciplined, never prepared and not even really competing. This to me falls on the head coach.
Way too early coming off a playoff season and win.
The coach isn't the problem
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 08, 2023, 04:05:42 PMThe coach isn't the problem
That's where I'm at, but having said that we came into the season looking undercooked.
There's plenty blame to go round.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:09:27 PMNah - he's been great...
So the solution is to fire another coach but keep the QB?
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:09:27 PMNah - he's been great...
I don't know if I can go another entire week with you blaming everyone but Jones lol.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:12:37 PMSo the solution is to fire another coach but keep the QB?
Always about Jones with you. You are obsessed with him lol
I said to take a QB with a top 10 pick. But you choose what you want to read.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 08, 2023, 04:13:25 PMI don't know if I can go another entire week with you blaming everyone but Jones lol.
Or you blaming jones for everything. I hold the entire team accountable. Try it sometime.
Fact of the matter is that Daboll took this team to the playoffs last year with sub par talent. Outside of the draft and adding a few vets like Campbell and Okereke, there isn't that much of an improvement in the overall talent level from last year. Part of that is because Schoen inherited a bad cap, and the other part is that our draft picks haven't taken the next step as of yet. Last season bought Daboll time.
I sure am not ready to fire Daboll now, but he had better sit his entire staff down and lay the law out to them. There isn't one unit on this team that has performed well, offense, defense, ST, they all suck. Someone has to do something to shake this team up. I remember Parcels used to cut some player who everyone thought was untouchable to sort of shake up the team, maybe it's time for Daboll to stop being so loyal to his guys and get rid of some one.
The giants are on pace to win 4 to 5 games; some posters better get use to the idea of them drafting a Qb. They're not going to give DJ his 4th HC and 5th OC in 6 years while simultaneously expecting a different result...that's the literal definition of insanity. To that end, I think they make a change at QB before HC.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:27:40 PMThe giants are on pace to win 4 to 5 games; some posters better get use to the idea of them drafting a Qb. They're not going to give DJ his 4th HC and 5th OC and expect a different result...that's the literal definition of insanity.
Daboll should be back next season regardless....but I do think there should be a shake up to his coaching staff.
I do believe Daboll will be back but I don't like what I've seen here. There's regression and then there's this.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 04:31:50 PMI do believe Daboll will be back but I don't like what I've seen here. There's regression and then there's this.
I don't think it's a regression, the Giants have played poorly without Saquon Barkley for the last five years.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:28:44 PMDaboll should be back next season regardless....but I do think there should be a shake up to his coaching staff.
Agreed.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 04:31:50 PMI do believe Daboll will be back but I don't like what I've seen here. There's regression and then there's this.
This is fair
I'm not ready to fire Daboll yet, but he's trending badly and he hasn't done anything that would make me want to keep him (or Schoen).
If we bottom out and we're in position to draft one of those hyped QBs, then Daboll has to go along with Schoen.
As far as the playoff run goes, I think a more accurate stat for him at this point is that he's 5-11-1 since a 6-1 start.
Quote from: AYM on October 08, 2023, 06:55:47 PMI'm not ready to fire Daboll yet, but he's trending badly and he hasn't done anything that would make me want to keep him (or Schoen).
If we bottom out and we're in position to draft one of those hyped QBs, then Daboll has to go along with Schoen.
As far as the playoff run goes, I think a more accurate stat for him at this point is that he's 5-11-1 since a 6-1 start.
Shouldn't this regime get the opportunity to draft their own QB and not get fired along with the two previous coaches and GM with Jones as their QB?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 06:59:39 PMShouldn't this regime get the opportunity to draft their own QB and not get fired along with the two previous coaches and GM with Jones as their QB?
This regime already had their chance, and they picked Jones as their QB. If we collapse and end up, say, 1-16, then no. That would mean that they made Gettleman's team even worse (while hanging on to Gettleman's scouts) and they need to go.
And yeah, Jones would go with them at that point.
At 5-11-1 over the last 17 games somethings gotta give.
I doubt it's Dabs or the GM. But something will give.
Come on guys, we are all football people here, AND we know how Giant management works. There is simply, absolutely, no way in any hell that Dabill gets fired after this year, even if we go 1-15 (which we won't).
The Giants are embarrassed enough going thru coaches every couple of years. Daboll was coach of the year and everyone, and I do mean everyone had him secure in his job. He has to learn how to stop the losing and as a 1st time HC that is the hard part when things spiral out of control. He is learning on the job. it's easy when the team is winning, but when the wheels start coming off, well, that's when he needs to earn his money. He will be back next year no matter how the Giants finish.
Quote from: AYM on October 08, 2023, 07:05:50 PMThis regime already had their chance, and they picked Jones as their QB. If we collapse and end up, say, 1-16, then no. That would mean that they made Gettleman's team even worse (while hanging on to Gettleman's scouts) and they need to go.
And yeah, Jones would go with them at that point.
We don't know if they were fully on board with Jones coming off last season with Mara's love of Jones their hands may have been tied
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 07:52:20 PMWe don't know if they were fully on board with Jones coming off last season with Mara's love of Jones their hands may have been tied
We know most of the Gettleman scouts are still on board; if Mara is making calls like that, then we have bigger problems.
Schoen and Daboll gets another year and we'll see where they are at. They should get a chance to draft their own QB.
Quote from: Giggles on October 08, 2023, 08:32:57 PMSchoen and Daboll gets another year and we'll see where they are at. They should get a chance to draft their own QB.
Welcome and I fully agree
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 04:31:50 PMI do believe Daboll will be back but I don't like what I've seen here. There's regression and then there's this.
It's not regression as much as it is that this team, especially offensively, is very limited in what it can do. At full strength, they have a weak O-line. Without Thomas and JMS it's downright horrendous and limits what your offense can do. It's very difficult to build an offense when the defense knows your line can't hold up and you can't really take many deep shots. They drafted Jalin Hyatt to add an additional element to the offense, but it doesn't matter if the QB doesn't have time to take advantage of that skill.
It's just a bad situation and Daboll deserves an opportunity with a better roster.
Quote from: AYM on October 08, 2023, 08:26:57 PMWe know most of the Gettleman scouts are still on board; if Mara is making calls like that, then we have bigger problems.
They replaced a good portion of scouts this past offseason. Schoen has his guys in there now, just not his medical or training staff.
I don't want to fire Daboll but he is making the case for it. If Macadoo can get fired after a playoff year, so can Daboll. The play this year has been atrocious. The team is poorly prepared, the play calling suspect, and mistakes are too common. All reflects on the coaching.
McAdoo got fired as much for his benching of Eli as for the 2-10 record the Giants had at the time.
Daboll and Schoen will be here next year, but if things continue this way, I expect the team to have a new rookie QB.
I am actually a Jones fan. But I don't believe you can come back from being hit so much in one season. Better QBs than him have had their careers ruined because of that.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 08, 2023, 09:04:04 PMThey replaced a good portion of scouts this past offseason. Schoen has his guys in there now, just not his medical or training staff.
They still have some left; all of the rot needs to go.
Firing the coach and hiring a new one won't do a damn thing positive unless the new replacement starts drafting better players. The Giants have sucked for so long not because of coaching but rather because they continue to draft the wrong players.
Quote from: sooners56 on October 11, 2023, 09:58:57 AMFiring the coach and hiring a new one won't do a damn thing positive unless the new replacement starts drafting better players. The Giants have sucked for so long not because of coaching but rather because they continue to draft the wrong players.
Agreed. Daboll has enough good will from 2022 to avoid being another two year firing. You don't fire a coach one year after he won coach of the year, especially if you're a team that keeps firing coaches every two years.
We fans always seem to do two things: (1) overrate our own talent, and (2) blame coaches and coordinators rather than players. We have been down this road almost annually for the past decade now.
I'll bump this up again. Not impressed one bit with this coach. Last year will earn him another year but beyond that I wouldn't be sad if he was gone.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 15, 2023, 10:51:19 PMI'll bump this up again. Not impressed one bit with this coach. Last year will earn him another year but beyond that I wouldn't be sad if he was gone.
Definitely appears to NOT be the brightest bulb in the box on gameday. Me thinks he and Daniel Jones have the same problem in processing under pressure Between he and Kafka the play calling and packages on field are at times mystifying. As long as we have no REAL top level QB I believe you can expect more of what we have seen this year.
Daboll was universally praised last year, both by fans and the rest of the league (see Coach of the year award), and this year he seems universally reviled by most Giants fans.
He is absolutely deserving of criticism for the way this season has gone to this point, but in no way is he going anywhere after this year. They could finish 1-16 and he'll still be brought back. 2022 bought him a minimum of three years total with the team. This is not a Joe Judge or Pat Shurmur situation.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 16, 2023, 06:58:21 AMDaboll was universally praised last year, both by fans and the rest of the league (see Coach of the year award), and this year he seems universally reviled by most Giants fans.
He is absolutely deserving of criticism for the way this season has gone to this point, but in no way is he going anywhere after this year. They could finish 1-16 and he'll still be brought back. 2022 bought him a minimum of three years total with the team. This is not a Joe Judge or Pat Shurmur situation.
im very frustrated with him. but he is a first time coach going through his first adversity. hes making a lot of mistakes. lets hope he learns not to make the same mistake twice. but he HAS to break through this and figure out how to score and win. regardless of whos playing qb, the oline.. whatever. every team deals with injuries. most lose a small beat, but not the ENTIRE pulse. I have faith he can recover, but if we keep going down this road, he is not going to last long.
Pretty much feel even more strongly about it.
Daboll is a good coach. People got way to hyped at what was obviously going to be a down season. Injuries just made those games easier to lose.
I don't care. I'm going to say. This is dumb. Daboll coached the game today the exact correct way for the circumstances. Daboll is a good coach. He is incredibly well respected. Firing him would compeletely idiotic.
Daboll is now 6-13-1 since a 6-1 start. At this point it's clear the "coach of the year" bit was entirely that 6-1 start and 6-13-1 is closer to what he really is. He's trending in the wrong direction.
Quote from: AYM on October 08, 2023, 07:05:50 PMThis regime already had their chance, and they picked Jones as their QB. If we collapse and end up, say, 1-16, then no. That would mean that they made Gettleman's team even worse (while hanging on to Gettleman's scouts) and they need to go.
And yeah, Jones would go with them at that point.
Did they or did mister silver spoon meddle? I've never heard either Daboll or Schoen be effusive about Jones future before giving him a stupid deal. I have the feeling that has Mara's fingerprints all over it.
Quote from: madbadger on October 29, 2023, 06:12:14 PMDid they or did mister silver spoon meddle? I've never heard either Daboll or Schoen be effusive about Jones future before giving him a stupid deal. I have the feeling that has Mara's fingerprints all over it.
If Mara meddled, then there's very little reason to follow or pay any attention to this team anymore, as they would be beyond hope. Check box scores and hope for the best, but not worth the time.
Forget the knee jerk. This coach is clueless.