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Against one of the better defenses in the league, with a patchwork OL that got shuffled again after more injuries tonight, with the same receivers, at the very worst, TT looked just as good as DJ

But imo he is more poised, and looked better, plus he was able to take some shots downfield.

How did he have time to throw when this OL has been so historically bad?

I just don't see enough of a step up to warrant the extra money spent on Jones

The offense scored 9 points with Barkley back and Hyatt having a presence which freed Slayton.

He blew a chance at points in the 1st half and at the end of the game.

How was he a difference maker?


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 15, 2023, 11:46:25 PMThe offense scored 9 points with Barkley back and Hyatt having a presence which freed Slayton.

He blew a chance at points in the 1st half and at the end of the game.

How was he a difference maker?


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He wasn't. His YPA was under 6. He had a running game. And the OL played very well in the second half. Defense gave him short fields all night.

Absolutely spot on in your assessment

Quote from: JT39 on October 15, 2023, 11:48:29 PMHe wasn't. His YPA was under 6. He had a running game. And the OL played very well in the second half. Defense gave him short fields all night.

Tyrod ran the offense way better simple as that.

Quote from: Trench on October 15, 2023, 11:49:07 PMTyrod ran the offense way better simple as that.

6 points. Awesome.

Quote from: JT39 on October 15, 2023, 11:48:29 PMHe wasn't. His YPA was under 6. He had a running game. And the OL played very well in the second half. Defense gave him short fields all night.

He didn't have a running game supporting him. Saquon had two big runs on a single drive that distort the average. For the vast majority of this game the Giants couldn't run the ball effectively. Don't know how you can watch that game and claim otherwise.

Quote from: JT39 on October 15, 2023, 11:51:47 PM6 points. Awesome.

Would u agree Tyrod played better than Jones has?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 15, 2023, 11:52:22 PMHe didn't have a running game supporting him. Saquon had two big runs on a single drive that distort the average. For the vast majority of this game the Giants couldn't run the ball effectively. Don't know how you can watch that game and claim otherwise.

That's more than Jones has gotten all year. They had over 100 yards. Most all year by the RBs.

Quote from: Trench on October 15, 2023, 11:53:07 PMWould u agree Tyrod played better than Jones has?

Not really. He made a few nice throws. But again. 6 points against a team missing its two best defenders. The play at the end of the half was the worst play made by any player in football all year.

Oddly, the makeshift OL played better with Taylor out there. Nothing to do with the QB, though. <sarcasm>

Yes, Kent Graham is an improvement over Danny Kanell it seems.

It just highlighted how mediocre and overpaid Jones is. 

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on October 15, 2023, 11:56:03 PMOddly, the makeshift OL played better with Taylor out there. Nothing to do with the QB, though. <sarcasm>

Yes, Kent Graham is an improvement over Danny Kanell it seems.

Bingo. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Is this game and indictment of how bad Ezeudu is as well? After Pugh got settled - he was light years better than Ezeudu.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 15, 2023, 11:46:25 PMThe offense scored 9 points with Barkley back and Hyatt having a presence which freed Slayton.

He blew a chance at points in the 1st half and at the end of the game.

How was he a difference maker?


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The question was not was TT a difference maker, the question is in the name of the thread.

For that salary they could have signed a G, and upgraded the depth from guys like Peart and Lemieux, and maybe something on the defense

Quote from: JT39 on October 15, 2023, 11:59:51 PMIs this game and indictment of how bad Ezeudu is as well? After Pugh got settled - he was light years better than Ezeudu.

Yep but Ezudu is strictly a guard. Pugh has been a halfway decent tackle at points in his pro career. Also at this point Ezudu hasn't even played 16 games in his career while Pugh has started 119.

Quote from: madbadger on October 16, 2023, 12:03:25 AMYep but Ezudu is strictly a guard. Pugh has been a halfway decent tackle at points in his pro career. Also at this point Ezudu hasn't even played 16 games in his career while Pugh has started 119.

Ezeudu is terrible whether at guard or tackle. We plugged a guy who hasn't played in over a year and left tackle in 5 years and he was instantly better.

Quote from: True Blue on October 15, 2023, 11:31:08 PMAgainst one of the better defenses in the league, with a patchwork OL that got shuffled again after more injuries tonight, with the same receivers, at the very worst, TT looked just as good as DJ

But imo he is more poised, and looked better, plus he was able to take some shots downfield.

How did he have time to throw when this OL has been so historically bad?

I just don't see enough of a step up to warrant the extra money spent on Jones

Completely agree.

The argument that the offensive line is historically bad should be put to bed.

They battled a very good d-line with a guy that hasn't played football in a year and had almost zero time to prepare.

That same guy took snaps at left guard and finished the game at LEFT TACKLE.

IN THE NFL. 🔥

Blocking Von Miller isn't like picking up a bicycle after a year 😂

Props to the big boys. On both sides of the ball. D-line had their best effort tonight as well.

With the injuries to Milano and White - buffalos defense isn't that great. They struggled mightily last week against Buffalo.

Quote from: JT39 on October 16, 2023, 12:05:31 AMEzeudu is terrible whether at guard or tackle. We plugged a guy who hasn't played in over a year and left tackle in 5 years and he was instantly better.

No xxxx Sherlock. One guy has been a starter in the NFL for close to a decade and the other is a guy with little experience who's been bounced around. Of course Pugh looked better because he's the better player.

Quote from: madbadger on October 16, 2023, 12:09:57 AMNo xxxx Sherlock. One guy has been a starter in the NFL for close to a decade and the other is a guy with little experience who's been bounced around. Of course Pugh looked better because he's the better player.

Problem is many guys on this board said Pugh is washed up and blasted just the thought of having him here as a starter. So when we say Pugh is better I think it's fair to look back at ol the negativity that was sent his way as well.

Tyrod is a serviceable backup and once we find a way to shred Jones' contract at some point he'll make some team as a serviceable backup.

Quote from: Trench on October 16, 2023, 12:13:18 AMProblem is many guys on this board said Pugh is washed up and blasted just the thought of having him here as a starter. So when we say Pugh is better I think it's fair to look back at ol the negativity that was sent his way as well.

None of that negativity was coming from me though.

I think the most noticeable thing was that Taylor seemed....is "sharper" the right word....when rolling out and travelling east to west.
Over the piece though, it's too small a sample size to make a definitive judgement.
The run audible at the half.....well, if Saquon punches that in (as he should have I think)  it's a ballsy play.
But Saquon wasn't playing close to 100%, so there's a "situational awareness" element there.
I've more and more tended towards the feeling that Jones isn't the guy, having been a defender, I think we've David Carr-ed him.
I suppose the punchline for me is,  notwithstanding the general chaos surrounding last night's game, there should be a more noticeable drop off in terms of salary disparity.

Bottom line for me on this topic was that Taylor was no worse than Jones has been this year, and that's putting in a way that's frankly generous to Jones.

Taylor is a $5.5mm a year journeyman backup in his mid 30s who has barely been on the field the last few years. Jones is a $40m a year, feature fifth year starter whom some fans here still see as the franchise QB they want the front office to continue to build the team around moving forward.

Am I arguing Taylor's performance last night was anything great? No, obviously not, but was it any worse than Jones? Sorry, but no, it was not. Anyone who refuses to admit that is simply suppressing the truth or is just too clouded by bias and stubbornness to be able to make an objective judgment.

Taylor made multiple nice downfield throws that we have seen very little of from Jones this year, and he took excellent care of the ball overall. And for those trying to downplay the Bills' D, give me a break, please. That's still a top D, and it was a hostile environment and a hostile opponent that was in the mood to fight. It was hardly an easy situation. And it was as bad an O line roster as anything Jones has had to deal with this year, not to mention Barkley clearly wasn't healthy and was getting stuffed at or behind the line for most of the game.

People can try to squint their eyes and manipulate the narrative as much as they want, but the reality is what it is: Taylor last night was no less than on par with Jones this year, and I actually think that's selling him short. Both the eye test and the numbers say he was better than what we have seen from Jones this year, and he is on this roster at about 1/8th of the annual price with about 1/10th of the total guarantee. The facts simply are what they are.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 16, 2023, 06:49:45 AMPeople can try to squint their eyes and manipulate the narrative as much as they want, but the reality is what it is: Taylor last night was no less than on par with Jones this year, and I actually think that's selling him short. Both the eye test and the numbers say he was better than what we have seen from Jones this year, and he is on this roster at about 1/8th of the annual price with about 1/10th of the total guarantee. The facts simply are what they are.

When Schoen came in and declined Jones's 5th year, I suggested then that they should just roll with Tyrod because he has a very similar skillset but would come at a much cheaper price. Plus, he was already under contract.

That was met with quite a bit of pushback, many citing his decision to run for a first down and got concussed against Chicago the previous season. Of course, he made a bone-headed decision last night as well. Point being, Taylor isn't the long-term answer... and neither is Jones.

Quote from: T200 on October 16, 2023, 06:57:24 AMWhen Schoen came in and declined Jones's 5th year, I suggested then that they should just roll with Tyrod because he has a very similar skillset but would come at a much cheaper price. Plus, he was already under contract.

That was met with quite a bit of pushback, many citing his decision to run for a first down and got concussed against Chicago the previous season. Of course, he made a bone-headed decision last night as well. Point being, Taylor isn't the long-term answer... and neither is Jones.

Exactly.

Taylor is a backup QB. He is not good enough to be a starter you can win a great deal of games with. I don't think anyone thinks otherwise. What's concerning is that he did not look worse last night than our starter, who makes almost eight times as much.

Not only did Tyrod look equal to or better than Jones, several times in the 4th quarter Josh Allen was under heavy pressure, but was able to avoid the sacks and make critical plays with the game on the line. I wish he did not do so, but it shows the difference an elite QB makes for a team. Hopefully we get ours next year

Quote from: True Blue on October 15, 2023, 11:31:08 PMAgainst one of the better defenses in the league, with a patchwork OL that got shuffled again after more injuries tonight, with the same receivers, at the very worst, TT looked just as good as DJ

But imo he is more poised, and looked better, plus he was able to take some shots downfield.

How did he have time to throw when this OL has been so historically bad?

I just don't see enough of a step up to warrant the extra money spent on Jones

jones has more upside. but his confidence is SO low right now. Kafka needs to put him in a position to get in a rhythm. we've seen what he can do when he has that. I would love if jones would grow a set and show some damn fire. i'm getting tired of the nice guy thing. off the field thats great. but seriously, get mad, get in a linemans face when they blow an assignment. TT looked a little better, but he also had barkley, and kafka obviously changed some things up. why do we have to wait until jones is injured to do that?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 16, 2023, 12:14:33 AMTyrod is a serviceable backup and once we find a way to shred Jones' contract at some point he'll make some team as a serviceable backup.

i think jones will go to a decent team and play reasonably well. he's never going to be a pro bowler. but on a team that can give him more than 1.8 seconds and maximize his RPO and play action ability, he can be pretty good. he's the modern day alex smith.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 16, 2023, 06:49:45 AMBottom line for me on this topic was that Taylor was no worse than Jones has been this year, and that's putting in a way that's frankly generous to Jones.

Taylor is a $5.5mm a year journeyman backup in his mid 30s who has barely been on the field the last few years. Jones is a $40m a year, feature fifth year starter whom some fans here still see as the franchise QB they want the front office to continue to build the team around moving forward.

Am I arguing Taylor's performance last night was anything great? No, obviously not, but was it any worse than Jones? Sorry, but no, it was not. Anyone who refuses to admit that is simply suppressing the truth or is just too clouded by bias and stubbornness to be able to make an objective judgment.

Taylor made multiple nice downfield throws that we have seen very little of from Jones this year, and he took excellent care of the ball overall. And for those trying to downplay the Bills' D, give me a break, please. That's still a top D, and it was a hostile environment and a hostile opponent that was in the mood to fight. It was hardly an easy situation. And it was as bad an O line roster as anything Jones has had to deal with this year, not to mention Barkley clearly wasn't healthy and was getting stuffed at or behind the line for most of the game.

People can try to squint their eyes and manipulate the narrative as much as they want, but the reality is what it is: Taylor last night was no less than on par with Jones this year, and I actually think that's selling him short. Both the eye test and the numbers say he was better than what we have seen from Jones this year, and he is on this roster at about 1/8th of the annual price with about 1/10th of the total guarantee. The facts simply are what they are.

i think this is a fair assessment. was he better than jones? not really. was he worse? definitely not. and you bring up a good point about the difference in pay. but he did have barkley, who changes everything on this offense. lets see how jones looks once he's got him back, and if kafka calls plays the way he did last night. its frustrating that he only changed things up once jones got hurt.

Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 12:01:39 AMThe question was not was TT a difference maker, the question is in the name of the thread.

For that salary they could have signed a G, and upgraded the depth from guys like Peart and Lemieux, and maybe something on the defense

Perhaps.

But you can thank Meddling Mara for that and the current front office who acquiesced to his desire.

They should've never paid DJ that kind of $$, I agree. Tyrod is but a band-aid applied to a sucking chest wound.


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Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 08:10:31 AMjones has more upside. but his confidence is SO low right now. Kafka needs to put him in a position to get in a rhythm. we've seen what he can do when he has that. I would love if jones would grow a set and show some damn fire. i'm getting tired of the nice guy thing. off the field thats great. but seriously, get mad, get in a linemans face when they blow an assignment. TT looked a little better, but he also had barkley, and kafka obviously changed some things up. why do we have to wait until jones is injured to do that?

Jones has played plenty of games with Barkley

Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 08:25:54 AMJones has played plenty of games with Barkley

and he generally played better when he's had him. one mediocre game by tyrod doesnt exactly negate jones (limited) contributions.

Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 08:42:15 AMand he generally played better when he's had him. one mediocre game by tyrod doesnt exactly negate jones (limited) contributions.

Yes, but with Barkley he has been average at best, he feasted on a few weak defenses last year down the stretch but that was fools gold, everyone produced against the Colts and Vikes last year

Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 08:54:18 AMYes, but with Barkley he has been average at best, he feasted on a few weak defenses last year down the stretch but that was fools gold, everyone produced against the Colts and Vikes last year

wont argue that. but every year is different.

Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 08:55:27 AMwont argue that. but every year is different.

It is, but Jones has more or less been the same regardless of who he has or doesn't have. They need an upgrade at QB (and RG) along with a break on health (looking at you Barnes)

Quote from: T200 on October 16, 2023, 06:57:24 AMWhen Schoen came in and declined Jones's 5th year, I suggested then that they should just roll with Tyrod because he has a very similar skillset but would come at a much cheaper price. Plus, he was already under contract.

That was met with quite a bit of pushback, many citing his decision to run for a first down and got concussed against Chicago the previous season. Of course, he made a bone-headed decision last night as well. Point being, Taylor isn't the long-term answer... and neither is Jones.

In hindsight I agree with you. While I was in favor of franchising Jones as a stop gap measure I didn't think he played well enough to get the silly extension that they gave him.  If it wasn't worth picking up his void season then why was it worth extending him after throwing just 15 touchdowns?

I get that Daboll wants to win and Jones is better than Taylor but not enough to justify the huge contract disparity between the two. Huge, unforced error by Schoen IMHO

Quote from: madbadger on October 16, 2023, 12:19:35 PMIn hindsight I agree with you. While I was in favor of franchising Jones as a stop gap measure I didn't think he played well enough to get the silly extension that they gave him.  If it wasn't worth picking up his void season then why was it worth extending him after throwing just 15 touchdowns?

I get that Daboll wants to win and Jones is better than Taylor but not enough to justify the huge contract disparity between the two. Huge, unforced error by Schoen IMHO

They weren't in position to draft a QB this past year and they were never just going to roll with Tyrod as the starter. Whoever they brought in would've probably gotten 2-3 years... which is basically what happened with DJ. He got 2/3 year deal and the Giants overpaid to (potentially) get out of it sooner side of that deal. I simply cannot view it as some huge error. Jones isn't living up to the paycheck, under admittedly difficult circumstances... but this is precisely why the deal is structured as such. And a complete dumpster fire of a season thankfully makes the path forward clearer.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 12:46:44 PMThey weren't in position to draft a QB this past year and they were never just going to roll with Tyrod as the starter. Whoever they brought in would've probably gotten 2-3 years... which is basically what happened with DJ. He got 2/3 year deal and the Giants overpaid to (potentially) get out of it sooner side of that deal. I simply cannot view it as some huge error. Jones isn't living up to the paycheck, under admittedly difficult circumstances... but this is precisely why the deal is structured as such. And a complete dumpster fire of a season thankfully makes the path forward clearer.

They could have franchises him as a stop gap measure for this year when they could draft a quarterback of the future. It would have cost them a lot less and they would have been free and clear of him at years end. Now they're tied to him for at least another year. It's not my money but it's money that can't be used to improve the roster during free agency.

Quote from: madbadger on October 16, 2023, 12:55:51 PMThey could have franchises him as a stop gap measure for this year when they could draft a quarterback of the future. It would have cost them a lot less and they would have been free and clear of him at years end. Now they're tied to him for at least another year. It's not my money but it's money that can't be used to improve the roster during free agency.

I get your point. But if they're moving on from Jones, being tied to him next year isn't a big deal in my mind. In that scenario, you're probably grooming a rookie QB and contention in 2024 isn't likely. You're aiming for 25/26 when DJ is off the books.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 01:01:22 PMI get your point. But if they're moving on from Jones, being tied to him next year isn't a big deal in my mind. In that scenario, you're probably grooming a rookie QB and contention in 2024 isn't likely. You're aiming for 25/26 when DJ is off the books.

This, plus with other OL and offensive players surely to be added along with possibly a new OL Coach, it gives them time to gel, work out at least some kinks, and hopefully have things more stable, so no rush to play the rookie week 1

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 12:46:44 PMThey weren't in position to draft a QB this past year and they were never just going to roll with Tyrod as the starter. Whoever they brought in would've probably gotten 2-3 years... which is basically what happened with DJ. He got 2/3 year deal and the Giants overpaid to (potentially) get out of it sooner side of that deal. I simply cannot view it as some huge error. Jones isn't living up to the paycheck, under admittedly difficult circumstances... but this is precisely why the deal is structured as such. And a complete dumpster fire of a season thankfully makes the path forward clearer.

H-T: It seems clear to me (as it is to you) and, not being insiders ourselves, likely quite close to reality. Bob

Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 01:03:49 PMThis, plus with other OL and offensive players surely to be added along with possibly a new OL Coach, it gives them time to gel, work out at least some kinks, and hopefully have things more stable, so no rush to play the rookie week 1

Stroud is proving that a first round pick can step in and play very effectively as a rookie. I'm not so sure I can stomach another completely lost season in the hopes that we can be good the following one. I'm sure Daboll isn't willing to do it either. If they draft a qb in the first round he isn't going to be patient and groom him for the next head coach. He's going to play him early. If they've decided to move on for whatever reason having Jones around is a hindrance not a benefit.

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 16, 2023, 01:05:46 PMH-T: It seems clear to me (as it is to you) and, not being insiders ourselves, likely quite close to reality. Bob

The information we have (i.e. the money) paints a pretty clear picture of how the Giants approached DJ: hopeful, but not irrationally so.

I think at the time it would have been difficult to tag Jones. In hindsight, we'd certainly be better off now, but at the time it would have been very tough. The Giants were coming off their best season in years, they had just won a playoff game for the first time in a decade, and Jones appeared to be taking a step forward as a player. Had they tagged him, that would have meant almost certainly letting Barkley walk and then owing jones the full amount of the tag in 2023. In other words, they would have had to accept not being as good as they could be if they used the tag on Barkley and gave Jones some sort of deal with a 2-3 year out. Obviously the overall situation was always less than ideal, but I don't think tagging him would have been that easy to do at the time.

Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 08:17:53 AMi think this is a fair assessment. was he better than jones? not really. was he worse? definitely not. and you bring up a good point about the difference in pay. but he did have barkley, who changes everything on this offense. lets see how jones looks once he's got him back, and if kafka calls plays the way he did last night. its frustrating that he only changed things up once jones got hurt.

He 100% was WAY better than Jones showed previous to last night. This was the best pass rush team and we were missing 3 starters on an already depleted line and everyone and their mother said Pugh was a waste of a spot.

Guess what. Tyrod moved the ball - pretty easily at the end. Found weapons in WanDale and Hyatt and it was clear his internal clock processes quicker and his body language is calmer.

Anyone who doesn't believe me I direct you to Amani Toomers comments on the post game show

Tagging Jones would not have made sense in that moment, but that is largely due to them not trading Saquon at the deadline, him still being here is complicated that cause if DJ got the tag, Saquon surely would have walked for nothing in return.

If I could play Tyrod and remove Jones's salary hit I would

Knowing what I know now, Ild be fine with that happening last off-season


Take 40 mill and sign 2 guards and RT

Keep Thomas, Pugh and Schmitz

That being said, Jones is where he is because of the reality of the season and Tyrod played the way he did because he knew he had an opportunity and playing it safe would not be a smart way to do the most with his opportunity

Quote from: Trench on October 16, 2023, 01:39:32 PMHe 100% was WAY better than Jones showed previous to last night. This was the best pass rush team and we were missing 3 starters on an already depleted line and everyone and their mother said Pugh was a waste of a spot.

Guess what. Tyrod moved the ball - pretty easily at the end. Found weapons in WanDale and Hyatt and it was clear his internal clock processes quicker and his body language is calmer.

Anyone who doesn't believe me I direct you to Amani Toomers comments on the post game show

Tyrod is better and letting him start and Jones walk last offseason would have been smart.  Instead here we are.  Last night was legit the only competitive game we played outside of 30 min in Arizona.  I don't have much else to say about it because some people will blame everything besides Jones. With Taylor we at least look competent.  When Jones comes back we will go backwards, take 10 sacks a game and lose by 5 TDs. Then do it again next year while spending more picks on an OLine. 

I think the locker room likes Jones, he works his ass off, but I really wonder if goin back to him would cause friction among players.

Jimmy G and Carr were available. Would they have faired any better than Jones? Any other FA QB's?

I don't think Schoen would have gone into the season letting Jones walk and starting Tyrod.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 17, 2023, 08:34:05 AMJimmy G and Carr were available. Would they have faired any better than Jones? Any other FA QB's?

I don't think Schoen would have gone into the season letting Jones walk and starting Tyrod.

Jimmy G is a better QB than Carr but Jimmy can't stay healthy. Both would have been cheaper than Jones.

At least we signed our franchise QB, right?  :hurt:

Thankfully, we can move on from him without too many complications and he can settle into a Tyrod Taylor role (high end backup/low end starter).

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 16, 2023, 06:49:45 AMBottom line for me on this topic was that Taylor was no worse than Jones has been this year, and that's putting in a way that's frankly generous to Jones.

Taylor is a $5.5mm a year journeyman backup in his mid 30s who has barely been on the field the last few years. Jones is a $40m a year, feature fifth year starter whom some fans here still see as the franchise QB they want the front office to continue to build the team around moving forward.

Am I arguing Taylor's performance last night was anything great? No, obviously not, but was it any worse than Jones? Sorry, but no, it was not. Anyone who refuses to admit that is simply suppressing the truth or is just too clouded by bias and stubbornness to be able to make an objective judgment.

Taylor made multiple nice downfield throws that we have seen very little of from Jones this year, and he took excellent care of the ball overall. And for those trying to downplay the Bills' D, give me a break, please. That's still a top D, and it was a hostile environment and a hostile opponent that was in the mood to fight. It was hardly an easy situation. And it was as bad an O line roster as anything Jones has had to deal with this year, not to mention Barkley clearly wasn't healthy and was getting stuffed at or behind the line for most of the game.

People can try to squint their eyes and manipulate the narrative as much as they want, but the reality is what it is: Taylor last night was no less than on par with Jones this year, and I actually think that's selling him short. Both the eye test and the numbers say he was better than what we have seen from Jones this year, and he is on this roster at about 1/8th of the annual price with about 1/10th of the total guarantee. The facts simply are what they are.

The offensive line under Daniel Jones was on a pace to allow the most sacks in NFL. As soon as he got the ball, he was under siege. I'd be interested to get your take on this because it appears most are ignoring this very real situation


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Quote from: todge on October 17, 2023, 01:11:21 PMThe offensive line under Daniel Jones was on a pace to allow the most sacks in NFL. As soon as he got the ball, he was under siege. I'd be interested to get your take on this because it appears most are ignoring this very real situation

So what are you trying to say? This is the fault of the OL? If so, then why the mere 3 sacks against Tyrod?

I think there are 2 things going on here:

1) It's just observation bias that every snap was a jailbreak
2) By the 3rd quarter, the D could just tee off because the Giants fell so far behind

But this does not preclude the salient fact that Jones was too slow to process and too indecisive to unload a pass. Plus he was looking for a wide open receiver, and when the defense blanketed his first option, Jones just ran around lost to get sacked. There were at least 4 throws Taylor made that you should expect a franchise QB to make that Jones is too risk averse to even attempt.

Quote from: todge on October 17, 2023, 01:11:21 PMThe offensive line under Daniel Jones was on a pace to allow the most sacks in NFL. As soon as he got the ball, he was under siege. I'd be interested to get your take on this because it appears most are ignoring this very real situation


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You do realize Tyrod played behind the same OL, with even more band aids applied to it, right? I am unsure what you are trying to say here.

Quote from: todge on October 17, 2023, 01:11:21 PMThe offensive line under Daniel Jones was on a pace to allow the most sacks in NFL. As soon as he got the ball, he was under siege. I'd be interested to get your take on this because it appears most are ignoring this very real situation


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My take is that I would wholeheartedly agree our offensive line is poor in the state it's in now. But where we may differ is on the idea that all sacks are created equal and when Jones gets sacked 11 times in a game it's all the O line's fault. That Taylor only got sacked three times with the same O line minus Ezeudu against a top notch defense in a road game speaks volumes to me.

Amani Toomer himself said Tyrod gets the ball out and processes reads much faster than Jones. I would consider him an expert, no?

I don't think he's 7 times better.

Out of interest, what was Taylor's PFF grade? I've had a look and don't think the heroes/goats scores have been posted.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 17, 2023, 04:31:03 PMI don't think he's 7 times better.

Out of interest, what was Taylor's PFF grade? I've had a look and don't think the heroes/goats scores have been posted.

I'd like to know this as well