"He's made some big plays when he's had an opportunity to, in terms of downfield. We threw him a few more this game, came down with some, didn't with others," Daboll said. "Again, I can't say it enough, he's got a long way to go. Hard position to jump right into. He's making strides, but still got a lot to learn and details to clean up."
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid09auyaD2XhoJuko3ycrRh4ciqdhmBtHsHDBGztbWuVexfMqyZqXuvka7G2inL4E3Rl&id=100063716761601
:boooo:
Not surprising, as he still has to learn the nuances of the position and the various routes/coverages. But with that said, until then he can still fill a big need for this team by drawing attention on deep routes, making some plays, and helping to free up other receivers. I've also been impressed, so far, with his ability and willingness to block downfield.
https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1717578797212438709?s=20
Given the almost always very complimentary way coaches usually talk about players, I wouldn't exactly call this the most effusive feedback I have ever heard.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 26, 2023, 01:03:25 PMGiven the almost always very complimentary way coaches usually talk about players, I wouldn't exactly call this the most effusive feedback I have ever heard.
He's probably tired of them asking why isn't he getting more targets and reps.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 26, 2023, 01:42:12 PMHe's probably tired of them asking why isn't he getting more targets and reps.
There's an easy solution to that problem....throw your best WR the ball. Regularly.
Kafka and Daboll don't seem to be on the same page. Their statements are very different.
Daboll's statement comes across as, "Nice job getting an 'A' on your test. Too bad it wasn't an 'A+'. You have lots of improvement to do."
Hyatt and Wandale are easily the two best Wrs on the roster in my opinion. Not sure why Robinson isn't getting ever slot rep and Hyatt every boundary rep.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 26, 2023, 04:39:19 PMHyatt and Wandale are easily the two best Wrs on the roster in my opinion. Not sure why Robinson isn't getting ever slot rep and Hyatt every boundary rep.
I agree. They're the two who can make the most things happen, with Waller being the obvious big man in the middle. They should both be getting more work.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 26, 2023, 02:28:42 PMThere's an easy solution to that problem....throw your best WR the ball. Regularly.
Actually, I like that they are bringing him along and making him a better version of himself. It will pay off in the long run. Same with WonDale. Odell had moves, speed and hands but he only ran Slants and Go Routes. The fame got to his head before he matured. Killed his career.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 26, 2023, 04:45:30 PMActually, I like that they are bringing him along and making him a better version of himself. It will pay off in the long run. Same with WonDale. Odell had moves, speed and hands but he only ran Slants and Go Routes. The fame got to his head before he matured. Killed his career.
Was that what killed his career, or was it in fact all the injuries? He was ridiculously good in 2014-2016, basically right out of the gates as a Giant, until he started frequently getting hurt. I feel like things went south after the injuries became such an issue. He was cocky right from the get-go, but he was one of the best two or three receivers in the league (if not the best) during that early period.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 26, 2023, 04:52:35 PMWas that what killed his career, or was it in fact all the injuries? He was ridiculously good in 2014-2016, basically right out of the gates as a Giant, until he started frequently getting hurt. I feel like things went south after the injuries became such an issue. He was cocky right from the get-go, but he was one of the best two or three receivers in the league (if not the best) during that early period.
His ego and posse killed his career. Too much success too soon. TC never reigned him in.
Do coaches over think things when it comes to.WRs
Puka is doing awesome and he was a 5th round pick
Jordan addison is doing awesome
Q johnson on the chargers is he even playing anymore
This is coach speak. It is how Daboll talks about most players. They are clearly high on high. His snap share keeps going up.
"OC Mike Kafka said Jalin Hyatt is right on schedule and doing a great job in his role, which could keep growing as the season progresses."
More than I can say for Kafka.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 26, 2023, 04:57:39 PMHis ego and posse killed his career. Too much success too soon. TC never reigned him in.
I'm not going to stop blaming the Giants offensive line and them ignoring Ramczyk and Whitworth the offseason before OBJ got hurt. At the time we blamed Manning rushing his throw high while under duress. If the Giants had acquired either of those tackles ahead of the 2017, I bet Manning would have gotten one more ring or close to it. OBJ was unstoppable until that injury.
Quote from: T200 on October 26, 2023, 02:45:06 PMKafka and Daboll don't seem to be on the same page. Their statements are very different.
Daboll's statement comes across as, "Nice job getting an 'A' on your test. Too bad it wasn't an 'A+'. You have lots of improvement to do."
Tim: As you know, Parcells approached each player differently. Paraphrasing very loosely, some guys need a kick in the ass while others need a hug, and a few others just need to be left alone (Mark Bavaro for one).
Another approach (not in conflict with Parcells) coach decides with each player whether to minimize great things he's done (reminding him constantly how far he still has to go) or praise him notwithstanding awful mistakes he's made (reminding him it's a learning process that takes a while so just keep on keepin' on).
As a long-time NFL guy, Daboll IMO takes the best of both approaches and says whatever he believes is most likely to produce improved results.
Bob
PS. One more thing: reminding a player that he still isn't "there" yet but continually putting him on the field can only mean one of three things, or a combination of two or more of them: (a) the player is good & coach thinks he can be better; (b) the player is young & coach thinks he needs experience; or (c) the player stinks but coach has no one better to replace him with. LOL
Quote from: Bob In PA on October 27, 2023, 06:59:14 AMTim: As you know, Parcells approached each player differently. Paraphrasing very loosely, some guys need a kick in the ass while others need a hug, and a few others just need to be left alone (Mark Bavaro for one).
Another approach (not in conflict with Parcells) coach decides with each player whether to minimize great things he's done (reminding him constantly how far he still has to go) or praise him notwithstanding awful mistakes he's made (reminding him it's a learning process that takes a while so just keep on keepin' on).
As a long-time NFL guy, Daboll IMO takes the best of both approaches and says whatever he believes is most likely to produce improved results.
Bob
PS. One more thing: reminding a player that he still isn't "there" yet but continually putting him on the field can only mean one of three things, or a combination of two or more of them: (a) the player is good & coach thinks he can be better; (b) the player is young & coach thinks he needs experience; or (c) the player stinks but coach has no one better to replace him with. LOL
Excellent points, Bob. And you're probably spot-on.
My only (slight) issue is that Kafka is different this year versus last and this
public difference of assessment of Hyatt between Daboll and Kafka just feeds into the offensive dysfunction, in my mind.
I'm not happy with Kafka this year. As much as I railed against Mara and his statements about the team and now, I welcome his silence, I would not be mad if he made another "the offense is broken" declaration. :happy:
I think they would like to get the ball to him more but I imagine some of the plays where they planned to do so fell apart due to inadequate line play, and as a result, the ball had to go elsewhere. I think you will see more shallow crossing routes to use his speed and get the ball out quicker instead of throwing him balls with 20+ air yards. They have started doing that with Waller who arguably has had the same issue with not being targeted enough before last week. Hyatt has a lot of promise but he still has 2 good games and 5 bad ones to date, much like the Giants. There is enough blame to go around for that between him, the way he is being used, play-calling, and inconsistent O-line and QB play.
For me, until the QB has more time I think we will continue to see the targets for Waller and Robinson go up while Hyatt gets about the same number of looks he has been getting. I don't think everyone is going to be happy with that, but until Hyatt gets more precise with his route running on shorter routes that is what I expect to see. I also think they could get him the ball more often if they were playing from ahead which has been a rarity of late. Playing from behind, the Defense can insist on not giving up the big play by blitzing and playing two deep safeties. The Giants haven't been able to hurt teams for doing that.
Good for Daboll. Under John Mara's leadership this organization has bent over backward to anoint rookies, to the detriment of those players and the organization as a whole in my opinion. Parcells wouldn't have stood for it. Parcells wanted players to earn everything they got, including praise. Same with Coughlin. Mara is more interested in public relations and shaping the narrative on social media then in allowing players to naturally develop and earn their status the old fashioned way. Just my two cents.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 26, 2023, 04:45:30 PMActually, I like that they are bringing him along and making him a better version of himself. It will pay off in the long run. Same with WonDale. Odell had moves, speed and hands but he only ran Slants and Go Routes. The fame got to his head before he matured. Killed his career.
From the minute OBJ stepped on an NFL field he was the best player on it. I was at his rookie debut and while he only had a handful of actual catches he was open on just about every play. They just had no idea what they had yet. Hyatt has that same type of talent if they were to unleash him. Which they should. As soon as possible.
And what killed OBJ's career was injuries. Nothing else. He was uber competitive and routinely dominated games until freak injury after freak injury knocked him down from Elite all world athlete to simply an excellent athlete. Unfortunately that was also the distinction that dropped him from one of the 3 best WRs in all of football to where he currently resides.
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 27, 2023, 10:53:49 AMFrom the minute OBJ stepped on an NFL field he was the best player on it. I was at his rookie debut and while he only had a handful of actual catches he was open on just about every play. They just had no idea what they had yet. Hyatt has that same type of talent if they were to unleash him. Which they should. As soon as possible.
And what killed OBJ's career was injuries. Nothing else. He was uber competitive and routinely dominated games until freak injury after freak injury knocked him down from Elite all world athlete to simply an excellent athlete. Unfortunately that was also the distinction that dropped him from one of the 3 best WRs in all of football to where he currently resides.
His injuries aren't the only reason why teams passed on signing him or that he's been given one year contracts. He had a great contract with the Giants only to be traded to Cleveland, who ultimately cut him for his antics.
"After careful consideration, internal discussions and conversations with Odell and his representation, we've determined that it is in the best interest of all parties involved that Odell no longer play for the Cleveland Browns," Browns general manager Andrew Berry said in a statement. "We appreciate all his efforts and contributions while in Cleveland, but we've just reached a point where it is best that we move forward as a team without Odell. We are finalizing the process of granting Odell his release and we wish him well as he continues his career."
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported the Browns are converting Beckham's base salary into a signing bonus to lower his cap number in an attempt to save money. Once the contract is finalized, Beckham will be released. He can't be claimed on waivers until next week.
Remember the meltdown with Josh Norman?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-admits-odell-beckham-should-have-been-ejected-during-game/
How about pissing like a dog? Kicking the net?
His interview with Josina Anderson. throwing shade on Eli Manning?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24919394/odell-beckham-jr-know-eli-manning-reason-new-york-giants-struggling-offense
Injuries took him off the field but his reputation and antics killed his brand and his credibility for teams looking for a mature player. One year contracts are all he's going to get unless he turns it around with what little time he has left. Yet, to this day the issues continue.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/odell-beckham-jr-fought-titans-jeffery-simmons-after-testy-london-game/ar-AA1isywF
If he wasn't such a jackass, he would still be here in Blue, and maybe history would be very different for him and the NY Giants.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 26, 2023, 01:03:25 PMGiven the almost always very complimentary way coaches usually talk about players, I wouldn't exactly call this the most effusive feedback I have ever heard.
yes sounds like shakespeare's "the lady doth protest too much!"
they are trying to coverup their tracks for not using him til the season was almost lost